R. Kelly - "Trapped In The Closet"

This is silly. Everyone gets so defensive when someone mentions that word. Its like, 'must...find...non...racist...footing.' "I'm not a racist, thats whats so insane about this." etc

I don't see why the audience's reaction isn't a legitimate part of a critique of an artist/piece of art. They're not seperate - or rather, they're not seperate when you're talking 'minstrelsy'. I can't really argue Dan's perspective because he didn't elucidate much beyond it but to me its entirely reasonable to be critical of R Kelly or the song because of the way that song is received. And incidently, "minstrel show" is about calling on a certain tradition that is tied in with racism. So its a pretty broad descriptor and people seem to respond to what they ASSUME he's saying. Welcome to america etc

Still, at this pt. TITC is bad and boring.

One of the things said upthread was that people are pointing and laughing, saying Kelly is being 'unintentionally funny', and that this too is patronising. Neither my friends nor I know whether he knows what he's doing, but we debate it, and I really don't think that the people who claim it to be accidental are undermining the man whatsoever (whether he deserves to be undermined personally is a different issue).

Essentially, I may be missing something as a Britisher - some of the arguments seem to have revolved around US issues that I have no conception of - but the point is that this production is just great; the music works, the plot is hilarious and engaging, and I can't see one reason for people to not like it.

Exit, stage left...

I called it a minstrel show because, in my opinion, the entire thing is playing up to and pandering to a particular image that can be encapsulated by the sentence "R. Kelly is one crazy nigga!" As I said earlier, you can go ahead and watch that if you want to but, personally, I think it's some bullshit that cannot be divorced from some extremely ugly racial overtones.

FIN

pandering to a particular image that can be encapsulated by the sentence "R. Kelly is one crazy nigga!"

Yeah maybe. Hard to say. I'm drawn to R. Kelly because he seems to combine a very successful craftmanship, churning out strings of brilliant singles, as well as a sense of experimentation quite different from what's expected in the genre he's working in. I loved R. Kelly before TITC and I probably don't need to hear it again, but I still think it's pretty cool of him to try out stuff like that (and that he dresses up as Zorro for award shows).

x-post; and yes, I think that's part of the thing too. TITC does seem extraordinarily dumb, and the audaciousness of it's dumbness is what made me revive the thread. There's a midget in a cupboard having an affair with a policeman's wife?!

Yes. And it's no big deal.

Plus, R. Kelly genuinely does seem to be one crazy ... ummm, R&B celebrity. This makes his "I'm so craaaaaazy!" schtick a lot easier to swallow.

Who is Adam Beales?

Hearing that in my head a la Mike Jones is not helping my sanity.

R. Kelly is obviously at least kinda/sorta crazy --the craziness being obvious for the reasons Mr. Sick Mouthy mentions above, among others. And his material is (again, obviously) rooted in a frankly stereotypical vision of black culture and the entertainer's role in that culture. Oh, and he's black. Am I allowed to admit that I noticed that?

So what? The appeal to his work as a whole is the craftsmanship, the pop genius, the genuine humor, the controversy, the lunacy and (yes, to some extent) the total obliviousness. It's universal.

http://pajamasmedia.com/images/2006/02/Fingerpoint.jpg

Aaargh. I'm not saying that.

I am saying that it's reasonable to suggest that Kelly's not totally in control of his persona. If you don't think he comes off at least a little bit messed-up in a deep-down, genuine sense, that's cool. I'm not sure either way, but I think it's reasonable to have doubts about who he is and what he imagines he's up to.

And even if you read it as ENTIRELY self-aware meta-comedy, TITC is pretty blatantly chowderheaded. Again, that's fine. Recognizing that something is kinda dumb shouldn't prevent you from enjoying it.

We had to sing "I Believe I Can Fly" at 8th grade graduation

Makes you thirst for some New Critics to come along and tell us to judge the work completely on the basis of the text, and ignore the bloody artist.

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Um, so I just saw a commercial on IFC "10 brand new chapters on DVD in stores August 21st" and they're playing it on the channel on the 13th.

http://ifc.com/static/sections/kelly/trapped.html

lol this thread

space jam was a minstrel show
-- max (maxreax), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:43 (8 months ago) Link

lolol

I still stand by my initial excitement over the first 5 chapters. I only got halfway through those shitty new chapters released this year, though.

The second set of chapters were so, so, so awful

REDEMPTION