It seems basically the same thing tho -- in the 90s, if a major label was going to sign a rock band, why would they opt for a metal band when they could get the next Live, or Toad the Wet Sprocket, or Soul Collective?
― Dominique, Monday, 22 February 2016 16:46 (ten years ago)
i swear i'll stop in a minute: at any other time the big labels would have signed all those people even if they didn't think they would make any money. that's my real point. they would hear some underground buzz and just BUY whoever was causing the buzz. just in case. but it didn't happen with any of those bands. whole scenes in europe! and yeah not every euro prog band got signed in the states either in the 70's. but by the 90's metal had a built-in diehard audience here. you'd think just owning back catalog stuff would be enough for the behemoths.
it just makes me wonder if they were even listening. i guess they were all still trying to catch nirvana in a bottle. and all their hair metal bands were suffering major diminishing returns.
i am not an expert, please forgive me....
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 16:46 (ten years ago)
Yeah, I mean I'm not trying to inject logic into label-think, just my two cents -- and there's also the notion that labels just got a lot more conservative in general starting the 80s. Once it became apparent that you could bank on huge stars like Michael Jackson, Madonna, U2, it seems like the easy thing to do was just to gravitate towards stuff that showed potential for massive success. The only metal band that did this (and arguably, has EVER done this) is Metallica -- and my guess is that labels thought there could only be so many Metallica success stories out there.
― Dominique, Monday, 22 February 2016 16:50 (ten years ago)
lots of death metal bands got signed early 90s because of grunge. Not just death metal but bands like Fudge Tunnel etx there was a market for it but none of them broke out except for pantera and sepultura and by 1996 the major labels signed a load of nu metal bands and that wa it. All the stuff scott liked was ignored.
Nu metal coming along saying 'old' metal was old fashioned killed it for a decade unless they got a slot on fucking ozzfest.
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 16:57 (ten years ago)
pitchshifter got signed by geffen. maybe they were hoping for some helmet money.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:03 (ten years ago)
pitchshifter also turned to absolute shite.
damnit fudge tunnel didnt get nominated for this poll did they?
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:04 (ten years ago)
fuck fuck fuck
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:05 (ten years ago)
Fudge Tunnel and Godflesh was my introduction to extreme stuff
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:06 (ten years ago)
never even heard of Fudge Tunnel until now, taking a listen -- very first impression is that is def very grunge-y.
― Dominique, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:10 (ten years ago)
man, death metal was such a godsend. no offense to satan. saved me from having to buy nuclear assault records out of boredom.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:11 (ten years ago)
something bandnames something never listen
― odysseus (imago), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:11 (ten years ago)
Fudge Tunnel were amazing. I think Skot is a fan
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:14 (ten years ago)
i used to make fun of pitchshifter for not being godflesh but i'm listening to them now on tape and they fit my mood.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:14 (ten years ago)
yeah, fudge tunnel were fun.
Hate Songs In E-Minor would have been in my top 10 if it had been nominated. The other 2 albums would have been in the top 100
i have a bunch of sealed earache tapes here at the store. old deadstock. that will be my day of listening.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:15 (ten years ago)
Desensitized by Pitch Shifter was terrific. When they changed to Pitchshifter they were awful. Such a sellout
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:16 (ten years ago)
sounds like you will be having a fun day scott
i'm not gonna listen to Dub War though...
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:17 (ten years ago)
i'm listening to desensitized now. that blend of ministry and godflesh...hey, they were good at it.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:18 (ten years ago)
i might even crack open a copy of Swansong. which i haven't listened to since 1995.
also, i don't know if i need to crack open these Ultraviolence tapes. i don't know if i ever listened to Ultraviolence.
Old and Napalm Death and Godflesh and Scorn i will be listening to though.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:20 (ten years ago)
hahaha oh god I used to have 2 Ultraviolence cds
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:25 (ten years ago)
Things aren't that much better today, have you seen what Ghost were up against at the Grammy's?
― Siegbran, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:44 (ten years ago)
Fudge Tunnel were great. Creep Diets (the album they released through Epic) was their best album by far. I saw them on tour with Sepultura, Clutch, and Fear Factory in 1993 or 1994; Clutch went on first, Fear Factory second, and FT were direct support to Sepultura.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:52 (ten years ago)
it's always a decade behind at the Grammys.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:59 (ten years ago)
I love Hate Songs in E-Minor. They were a great live band, too.
I'd love to read a book about what ex-members of extreme metal bands do now. Like does Alex Newport work for a freight company, or does Alex Wank off Pungent Stench drive trams in Vienna?
Also: did Dropped by Mindfunk get nominated? I'm guessing it doesn't really count but I listened to it over the weekend and hell what an album (prompted by listening to Celtic Frost and remembering Reed St Mark was in Mindfunk. The Jason Everman/Reed St Mark Venn Diagram would make a hell of a book on its own).
― Poacher (Chinaski), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:19 (ten years ago)
Newport set himself up as a producer/engineer out in L.A.; he did the first Mars Volta EP, and has worked with a shit-ton of other people, too (link). I interviewed him some years ago when his post-Fudge Tunnel band, Theory of Ruin, was getting rolling. Interesting career-path fact: Theory of Ruin's drummer, Ches Smith, is now a highly regarded jazz dude whose first album for ECM is out this month.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:23 (ten years ago)
scorn tape i was playing made me switch gears. going with bass all day today...
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12743872_10154547370607137_8542257411910775027_n.jpg?oh=0a153cebab107d752c6f15e2a6171fb0&oe=576F4656
― scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 18:28 (ten years ago)
this is not really my forte and as such I have little to add except to say that I always liked Fudge Tunnel, they were great
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 18:29 (ten years ago)
does Alex Wank off Pungent Stench drive trams in Vienna?
Apparently he owns this music/occult shop: https://www.facebook.com/totem.records/
And as of 2010 at least was making this bad music: https://myspace.com/thetempter777
― Devilock, Monday, 22 February 2016 18:41 (ten years ago)
Right, I'm off pitching this book: 'Former extreme metal band members called Alex: where are they now?'
― Poacher (Chinaski), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:42 (ten years ago)
Anyone seen frobisher?
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:16 (ten years ago)
Frobisher is ill. He sent me a PM on facebook and gave me 20-11 results to post tonight for him and he thinks he will be better tomorrow to do the top 10. send him your good vibes and hopefully he will be ok
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:13 (ten years ago)
Get well soon Frobisher!
― tangenttangent, Monday, 22 February 2016 20:14 (ten years ago)
Get hell soon Frobisher!
― odysseus (imago), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:15 (ten years ago)
have we had anyone say far too fucking low yet?
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:19 (ten years ago)
No, because you haven't posted the album yet :P
― odysseus (imago), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:22 (ten years ago)
get well soon Frobisher! Poll has turned even more brutal than expected
― Dominique, Monday, 22 February 2016 20:23 (ten years ago)
cant get imgur working
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:27 (ten years ago)
i think he gave me the results upside down and this is the real winner
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:29 (ten years ago)
20. Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark (510 Points, 7 Votes)http://i.imgur.com/3gAOSpu.jpg
https://open.spotify.com/album/450O7sJi2GTzmLqHS03T88https://youtu.be/OJeLYvc7sXk
lets just call this the winner and leave it at that ?
my #2
Partially my fault, as I think I reversed the ranking of this and Blood Fire Death on my ballot
― Dominique, Monday, 22 February 2016 20:31 (ten years ago)
*Shakes Fist*
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:32 (ten years ago)
I remember reading a review of that in some magazine - Creem Metal, maybe? - that was so disparaging that I immediately went out and bought it on cassette. I've never regretted it. Whole album's great but "Equimanthorn" is all-time classic.
― gamelan ankylosing spondylitis (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:33 (ten years ago)
This was in the distant past, so long ago that black metal was still just a Venom album to me.
― gamelan ankylosing spondylitis (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:34 (ten years ago)
Because Imago doesnt like these old metal albums they arent quite getting enough points so if something crap does win do we agree just to blame him?
― The Call Of Cthulow (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:37 (ten years ago)
Absolutely. Imago please post a recent pic so I can have an effigy ready
― gamelan ankylosing spondylitis (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:47 (ten years ago)
works 4 me
― somewhere btwn Gabriel Garcia Marquez and early Evel Knievel guy (contenderizer), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:48 (ten years ago)