Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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i just always assumed he was stoner rock and that was why he is so huge in boulder.

― keith (keithmcl), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

You have a hard time figuring out how one could characterize DMB's music as "noodley" and "bloated"? Do your ears work?

"Noodley" (or might I spell it "noodly" or conceivably "noodlesque") could easily be applied to the band's ceaselessly masturbatory penchant for directionless "jamming" and soloing.

"Bloated," meanwhile, as used towards DMB could aptly sum up both their elephantine conceit of musical prowess and the overall lumpen sonic girth that characterizes their music.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.

― paige, Monday, 9 June 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

despite my general sympathy for the anti-Daveness, I remain convinced that "Crash" is a pretty good song whose chorus resolves in a really pleasant way

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Inevitable Subthread:
DuMB vs Booze Traveller vs Cootie an the Blowjobs...FITE!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Blues Traveller > Hootie (but just barely) >>> DMB

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

"I'm the king of the castle, you're the girl with the asshole, crash into me..."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 June 2003 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

You guys are completely insane. There's a lot of bands that I don't like, but I don't feel the need to bash them like this. Generally, people who are mentally and physically satisfied with their own lives don't tend to announce everything that they hate. Arguing about something as utterly subjective as personal taste where it relates to music is pointless.

― Ryan White, Monday, 9 June 2003 02:53 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks Ryan! moderators plz delete ILM

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 9 June 2003 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

But pointing out the pointlessness of others' actions is completely fucking worthwhile

― oops (Oops), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

oops is on fire tonight

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Ryan, do you see that we're all arguing about our personal taste in music, both those who love DMB and those who don't? And do you further see that, in their staunch defense of their man, the pro-DMB forces have prolonged the lifespan of this argument by about, oh, three days?

Not that ILMers have a problem with this -- hell, look around the board, that's what we do -- but if you have issues with this, why are you still feeding the flames?

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:08 (twenty-three years ago)

(Oh no! Have I killed this thread now? Dammit, Sean, why are you always so rational? Moderator, please delete me from the interweb.)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Cuz he's yet to see the light! Embrace DMCB Ryan! Accept the true faith!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Ryan , but THATS the point of ILM.

― Thomas W, Monday, 9 June 2003 07:29 (twenty-three years ago)

This is the most bizarre thread ... well, in a long time. What happened? where did these people come from? Did someone post a message saying "here is an anti-DMB site, go and post!" to a DMB mailing list or something?

You learn something new every day.

― kate (kate), Monday, 9 June 2003 07:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Its at nearly 600 posts. What is the longest running thread on ILX?

― Brain, Monday, 9 June 2003 10:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Probably Vice Magazine?

Or anything to do with Momus or any of our trolls...

― kate (kate), Monday, 9 June 2003 10:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually only heard 3 track by them via MTV and i gotta say they left me with nothing to like or to hate. they're virtually non existant where i live. I heard it some years ago and remember it sounded boring and the guys voice irritated me.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Monday, 9 June 2003 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd hardly call my disdain for DMB's music "unique". Look around you, Paige.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

But many people like them too. Thats the way of the world. We wont agree on everything. But we should remain civil and respect one anothers opinions. But i dont have a problem with people writing here about their dislike of DMB and other bands as long as I (and others) are allowed to respond.
I do wonder if we could agree on any bands though it should be fun finding out.

― Tina T, Monday, 9 June 2003 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I was referring to your "unique" definition of bloated and noodley...which still don't make any sense.

― Paige, Monday, 9 June 2003 12:53 (twenty-three years ago)

its a Jimi Thing....

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 9 June 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Paige, play fair - Alex's definition of "noodley" isn't hard to grasp, and it's a word often used to describe lots of focus on rock soloing/improv etc.

"Bloated," that one's loaded, not goin' near it

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 9 June 2003 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"noodley"...as in "like a noodle." I cannot imagine how you fail to hear how DMB's music could be described as such.

"bloated" as in fat, inflated, swollen. Think about it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

DMB are bloated - they've forgotten where they came from, they lost the eye of the tiger. That's why the future belongs to DMCB!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)

well he did look a little paunchy on that Spin cover.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

In ten years time, will anyone still be listening to DMB?
I THINK NOT!

Regardless of how I feel about DMB, this is a dumb thing to say. EVERYONE who's had ANY measure of success will still have people listening to them ten years after their success. Fact.

Actually, I defy anyone on this thread to list a band/artist who had a hit that no one ever listens to anymore. You just can't do it unless you happen to know exactly what every human being on the face of the earth is listening to at any given moment.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I meant it more in a general sense, i.e. will the Dave Matthews Band still be a going concern, and if so, will they be at all a relevant, viable force as compared to their current status.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

So what would make them any different than 80% of the artists popular today? How many huge acts from 1993 are still relevant, viable forces today? (The ones I can immediately think of are Snoop, Dre and Madonna; most of the other big hitters from then have fallen off big time.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

So what would make them any different than 80% of the artists popular today?

That's my point. They're not.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

nice return!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

They're NOT nearly as exceptional as some of the opinions expressed above would have you believe.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

That's a classic example of objective data used in a deeply subjective manner. The fact that the majority of people don't take Tiffany seriously or have forgotten about her doesn't change the fact that there are fans of hers today who think that she's the greatest performer ever. Furthermore, that's completely within their perogative and their rights as music listeners.

This thread has turned into a rote exercize of heaping scorn on other people's musical tastes for the cardinal sin of being different when it should have focused on heaping scorn on poxy Dave Matthews and his frightening chin.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

See, that's where you and I part, Dan. I have fewer problems with Dave Matthews (to say nothing of his chin, which seems pretty innocuous to me) and than I do with his fans who consider him some sort've demi-god.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

strike that "and" after the closed-parentheses.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldnt expect anything else from my fellow DMB fans as they're merely responding to (unnecessary) attacks on their favorite band. A band who I truly believe are unique , stand for something and whos music is great.

― Marien, Monday, 9 June 2003 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I can however see why some may call the music noodley and bloated. Some like it and some wont. As simple as that.

― Marien, Monday, 9 June 2003 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Marien, did you get poor marks in grammar?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

okay first I'm with dan at being pissed at the regulars acting like fucktards and baiting obv. v. young foax for no good reason -- go pick on ppl. yr. own size.

second I rilly want some DMB fans to tell me which songs they like most, how the sound of his songs changed over the last few albums, why it stopped having that goofy bouncy feel of "what would you say" and if that's a good or bad thing, whether you like dave's peppy or dreamy voice more, etc.

[honestly Jon, leave the grammar baiting to usenet]

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm still curious why you were annoyed with me earlier, Sterling.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Honestly, I don't know how else to antagonize them.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling was annoyed cuz you were ranking your own taste over some high-handed search for a true populist ethos where even 50,000 Dave Matthews phans can't be wrong cuz, above all else, one must dance side by side with the masses to show that you're keeping it real even if your own appreciation is so far removed from genuine fandom and interest that it ain't even academic it's so clinical. That's my guess anyway.

I've seen three Dave Matthews Band concerts (I'm from VA, and not only is it for lovers, it's for South African ex-pats who know just how good the weed is that grows at the feet of the Blue Ridge Mountains) and what struck me most was that there's a Jimmy Buffett-esque kulchur among the fans (partying, big smiles, neohippies), but it was firmly rooted in a Very Deep Respect for the music. No chants with certain parts. No choreographed hand movements from groups of excited grrls. None of that. And I found it really obnoxious -- the revelry that greeted the band, the closed eyes and mouthed words and shoulder hugs that made me feel like I was at a Promise Keepers rally.

Under the Table and Dreaming is good record.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't 'splain myself too well in that second graf: What I meant to say was that at every other concert I've been to for a band with a Huge Fawning Following (from Buffett to the Dismemberment Plan) there have been signs of naked enthusiasm for the band shown via syncopated handclaps, arm-waving, prop-tossing, and the like. But at the DMB shows I've attended, it's been like church, only with worse music (which isn't to call DMB terrible (I do like UTTAD), but to say that gospel music is great).

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

And as much as I dislike most of the jam bands, it's hard to find a more popular genre that music crit has totally ignored, which is a shame.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

(Deeply Stereotyped) DMB Fan: DMB roools! If you only heard more of their stuff, you'd agree that they're the best band ever!

Ned: But I've heard tons of their stuff and they bore the tits off of me. I am not engaged by their music at all and I don't have to be.

Sterling: NED YOU EVIL FIEND STOP TALKING DOWN TO PEOPLE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, Sterling mischaracterized me. I am not pissed with the regulars. I am not pissed with the new DMB advocates. I do think it's a shame that vocal proponents on both sides have turned this into the "my musical taste is better than yours" debate.

There should be more inventive name-calling and teasing and less chastizing. Humor brings people together.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually I never called Ned in particular out, tho I was somewhat frustrated by the "we all have different tastes but MINE are better" act becuz it seemed to cut off any possible discussion about DMB rather smugly and rilly was just a more articulate version of the more irritating things coming from the DMB hordes (more excusable there becuz they haven't wedded themselves to this act through years of fine-tuning) and meanwhile tho the taunting and baiting from other quarters was what rilly frustrated me.

And y3ncey can eat a bag of stereotypical dicks. 50,000 DMB fans might be wrong but they're sure more interesting than corny indie fucks like you.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

how am i a corny indie fuck sterling??? how many dmb shows have you been to?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

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