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I've never actually heard an mf doom album. i'd probably like it though. i liked kmd. i wanna hear that rugged dude too. doesn't he eat people on stage? i really like the new yo gotti album and he's crazy fuckin' boring.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

COMEDY. (XP)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

MF Doom is pretty boring once you get past the mask.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

anybody remember the shitty onion feature 'god gives shout back to all his niggaz' from like 5 or 6 years ago?? it had rabins smarmy fingerprints all over it, evident in all the shouts to backpacker garbage & paul barman on the stone tablet graphic

xpost doom = occasionally dope producer, competent-to-grating mc

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

part of the reason these guys get press is the cute photos. Gnarls is taking that one to the bank.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

people still read The Onion??

― Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

i hate that awkward overrhyming bullshit he does - wait why did dude just say 'scrappy doo is gonna break the china'? oh now hes saying 'happy you got on a fake vagina', very clever

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe this thread is still going after Jess pointed out "Hey, people like iconoclasts!"

And rappers totally cater to this line of reasoning any way (see RZA posing in a straitjacket on the cover of some magazine, and Kool Keith getting all bent about it)

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

so is this the thread where we make fun of and what's reading comprehension skills, or...

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

where did i say rappers dont cater to it?? i said in my first post its a contrived, constructed thing - my question was how come it gets eaten up by rock-press/casual-rap-fans/etc over a million other rap personas

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

the cult of Laurie has bubkes to do with the cults of Kate and Tori, Dan

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but your first post is really long.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Also, i think white rock fans can better relate to a porno-obsessed, gore-obsessed, insular weirdo who references Autopsy and Spazz (like Kool Keith), than Young Jeezy talking about how much he likes to sell coke. I hadn't even SEEN cocaine until about a year ago!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Ha, I thought Nathan Rabin was black, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

i thought yitzhak rabin was black

― brooklyn of the stone age (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

African-American (that's all I know)

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Rare is the pop criticism of / feature about hip-hop that doesn't narrow an artist down to a sales pitch for casual or niche listeners. "He's a crazy rapper!" "He's afrocentric, not like those ignorant rappers!" "He's rap for intellectuals!" "OMG A WOMAN RAPPER!" etc. While this is true for other genres of music as well, it seems especially the case for rap, and I think it just goes back to tired cliche that white listeners can't relate to black experiences because they haven't lived in the ghetto or been mistreated by a cop or experienced crime or whatever. Virtually every rapper of note has been pigeonholed in some way, and the "crazy"/"wacky" angle isn't really any more offensive than the "intelligent" angle, in my opinion.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

really? would you rather be considered an creative genius who plays around with character & identity or a crazy homeless guy who thinks he's a fantastic four villain

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

I would rather not be thought of an exception to my race because I'm intelligent.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

i think over the years theres been enough press on conscious mcs for the exception to become the rule, whereas the love for 'crazy' dudes piles up & just reinforces media stereotypes that black men = schizo bums

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

and?

― jäxøñ (jaxon), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

i mean, that's true, right?

― jäxøñ (jaxon), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

I think of all intelligent people as being exceptions to their race.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

and yeah im well aware how problematic white liberal condescenscion towards artists who 'uplift their race' & all that but in this case its the much lesser of 2 evils - that same attitude played a large part in the success of the harlem renaissance outside of, you know, harlem, which ended up having positive repercussions through the civil rights era & beyond, while omg-kool-keith-is-NUTS!!@ stuff is closer to dudes who made those bumfights videos

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

"a creative genius who plays around with character & identity or a crazy homeless guy who thinks he's a fantastic four villain"

I honestly don't think there's that much of a difference (ex. of Sun Ra is perfect here)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

ideally you can be neither

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

still don't see how this issue is limited to rap music or even just music as opposed to all types of creative expression -- Rimbaud, Herzog, whoever

writers in trying to find a hook shocker

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

But don't you think that casual rap fans (CRFs) just relate to the "futurism" part in Kool Keith and Cee-Lo version of afrofuturism? That's not like bumfights at all.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

"a creative genius who plays around with character & identity or a crazy homeless guy who thinks he's a fantastic four villain"

yeah music-bizness-wise this distinction is pretty much just whether you manage to get paid before you run out of people who'll let you sleep on their couch

― reacher, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

yeah i guess thats different from the omgwtf factor of dipset or some asshole like nathan rabin loling at dmx's arrests - like i said, most critics acknowledge the sci-fi stuff is a persona but you still get alot of alt rock type fans of the stuff who trade in 'yeah hes this totally CRAZY rapper who thinks hes from space!' stuff - i remember busta got some of this in the 90s too, and wu of course

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

(xpost to whiney - hey where does WESLEY WILLIS fit into this!)

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

who is this "casual rap fan (CRFs)" strawman? Is that me? Cuz I like Cee-Lo and Kool Keith. How many rap albums do I have to hear per year before my opinion becomes valid...?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I always thought the wu thing was just "hey, they like kung fu just like me!"

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

honestly you guys are creating this bogeyman out of thin air. name names.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

i got no beef w/ goodie mob lo or even neo-soul lo

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Very intersting question. I think it goes back further than just rap, though. Like, Sun Ra, George Clinton -- a lot of people wondered if those guys actually were crazy too.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

dude so just let lo free of your narrow expectations, he wants to be a freak sometimes too, why isn't that good enough for you

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Seriously. How tough is it to believe someone who makes a living as a performer might want to sometimes, you know, put on an act?

I guess this criticism applies to all music equally, though.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

I NEVER SAID I HAD A PROBLEM WITH RAPPERS WHO PUT ON AN ACT BECAUSE EVERY RAPPER DOES THIS IM TALKING ABOUT A VERY SPECIFIC PERSONA AND ITS DISPROPORTIONATE SUCCESS WITH A CERTAIN TYPE OF RAP LISTENER

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

man, listen to you "certain type of rap listener"... could you be anymore snooty and elitist about yr pet genre?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Although to be fair, the thread started with a discussion of off-stage antics. So you gotta start asking where does the stage end and 'real life' begin anymore in these hyper-media saturated times, especially for a celebrity. Blablabla. I wouldn't be boring you with all this crap if it wasn't such a slow day at work.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

SNOOTY AND ELITIST??? I AM A CERTAIN TYPE OF RAP LISTENER TOO

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:10 (twenty years ago)

AND YEAH DMX IS NOT PUTTING ON A PERSONA FOR NATHAN RABINS IRONIC ROFFLES

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Maybe the problem is that Pete Buck not fastening seatbelt = "wimpy primadonna" whereas DMX not fastening seatbelt = "unhinged black man"

The Rabin article is most offensive because it bitches about DMX failing to live up to expectations during this arrest. This case is different from Parliament/ODB/Doom etc. because people here expect DMX to be crazy not on an album or in the public spotlight, but in real life. DMX's persona didn't get arrested this time, DMX the guy did. The fact that every time someone like DMX gets arrested, it has to be for some looney reason does smack of racism, but I don't know if an indictment of the whole rapper-persona fascination follows from that.

― hugaboo (space hard), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

is this the same thing that goes on in every genre (brian wilson, tori amos, etc) & im just pissed by how it goes with rap?

1. yes
1a. there's also the fact that a lot of people (me included) just prefer weird stuff - E you should kinda lay yr cards on the table here, for you "weird" is a negative criticism isn't it? if these people were, like, manilow freaks in their pop tastes but then strictly odb in their rap tastes, you might have a case, but there are a whole host of other things to consider - especially that the "weird" rappers you name (except maybe cam'ron, about whom I don't know shit) tend to be working a more obviously literary schtick

or to put it more briefly, "eng lit grads who became critics in liking offbeat poetry non-shockah"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

You sure? I can easily see getting arrested as a publicity move for an MC who's fallen off the radar and has a new album coming out soon.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

I mean, if yr looking for racially suspect motives in critical rap tastes, I'd be a LOT more suspicious of how everybody hopped on Houston's jock at the exact same cultural moment

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

YELLING IS FUN

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

You sure? I can easily see getting arrested as a publicity move for an MC who's fallen off the radar and has a new album coming out soon.

the reason you can see this probably has something to do with your not having spent any time behind bars: it fucking sucks

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

jd plz explain houston dickriding = racism!!??!!!!?

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

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