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Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

either way, spill!

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. Now please. Or else.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Giz it.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty much.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah well, the downsides.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Lovesong
Push
Sinking
Pictures Of You
Lullaby
Lovecats
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
M
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

THEY DID CULT HERO MATERIAL???????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)

Genius.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

porl!

!!!!!!

― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).

And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".

The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I forgive you. Since you're going to help me find someone who recorded the show OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE...

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.

Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

That I had heard, seems to make sense! They and Depeche should just finally tour together. ;-)

In all seriousness, thanks for any leads you might have!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Where's a good place to go to get the skinny on the order and track listing of the reissues? I just got Join the Dots and I'm liking it a lot. It's time.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been searching around but as yet no specs seem to be public.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

That was badly worded... is the order the albums are going to be re-released in public knowledge?

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Chronologically. First batch will be the first four albums, through Pornography.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

very good, i'll start with seventeen seconds and pornography!

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I just listened to Seventeen Seconds front to back. I think the South Park kid was wrong and that SS is the best record ever.

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cure were really good for someone born in 1974. You're 17, and you like 'em just fine, cos they're weird, but they're pop (for those born 4 years later, insert pixies) into this equation...They haven't lost it, cos you're into them during their Disintegration - Wish phase. And most important: they help you to get girls. Well, one maybe. Their lyrics don't mean much, but the guitar remains sorta post-punk...it's enough compared to your U2 loving colleagues.
But then! At the same time, Stone Roses, 808 state, Guy Called Gerald comes along, prettier rave girls arrive, the drugs are better , and you don't give a fuck about the Cure anymore. Until you're 30, and buy a greatest hits Cd, cos that's what 30 year olds do.
Dud, then.

― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

how cynical! are you a record store employee?

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I was born in 1971 ergo they're better for me! Whee!

Actually I think Dan was born in 1974 and he went through all that shift you did except he kept loving the Cure as well. Rah!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I was born in '74 and at age 17 ('92) I played Wish for a friend, Jill, on the plane to Athens (school trip to Italy/Greece). We got it on a few days later.

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

My.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, was just describing how it was for me. (for me) the cure were a band that you listened to, liked for 3 years, spent some precious time with a girl, then discovered that there was more exciting music/girls/drugs. And if anyone else got all that from the cure, repeatedly, for 25 years...erm, grebt.

― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

and that was about it for the next 3 years so thanks, Cure! xpost

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ta299701/cure.gif

― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it is time for me to listen to the cure again

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's pretty autumnal music.

― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been listening to the Cure all summer. Hmmm, that says something.

― Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Splintered in Her Head, for one, is brilliant. It's got more menace and dizzy recklessness than almost anyone else, before or since, has managed to get away with on the back of a pop release.

But for many of us born in or around 1974, this issue is fairly cut and dried. For a decade, The Cure made (mostly) great, emotive music to match the self-indulgent drama of teen angst. I too, found romance with a girl because of it. She was into Sylvia Plath 'n shit and thought Robert Smith was really good at painting with words in his lyrics. I felt the same. Even his terrible voice was welcomed as a strike for the blemished and the meek (read 'indie') against mainstream, hard-rock masculinity (what we call 'bogans' in Australia).

Then, as Paul and others have pointed out, we came of legal age in the early 90's and were lucky enough to be doing so right when music got a huge shot in the arm - with much better drugs and, yes, prettier girls. How convenient it was to feel disillusioned with "Wish" and all Cure work since. But my best efforts at objectivity still tell me, as they do to so many others, that The Cure are 80's classics and 90's duds. You can neatly bookend the best of this band up to and including "Disintegration".

― Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

And I used to have a crush on Porl.

― Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That's well-written, Stephen, but I completely disagree; dismissing _Wish_ dismisses some extraordinarily strong songs ("Open", "High", "End", "From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea", "Apart", "Trust", "To Wish Impossible Things", "Friday I'm In Love", "This Twilight Garden", "Play", "The Big Hand", "Halo") and The _Wild Mood Swings_ b-sides match up with anything else they've (particularly "Ocean", "Home", "A Pink Dream" and "It Used To Be Me").

I was born in 1973 and I approve this post.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I was born in 1971 and second it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If you feel I assumed to speak on behalf of y(our) generation, my apologies. I was only thinking in terms of my own social sphere of that era.

― Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(Also, "Spilt Milk" and "Cut Here"!)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

notice:

Robert Smith guest presents the John Peel Show tonight 11pm - 1am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml

you can listen live via the web stream.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

it's on.....

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Forgive me...as I'm relatively new to this forum, I have a hard time with these polar extremes: ('classic'versus'dud').....

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), March 26th, 2001

?!?!?!?!?!?!?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

You were young, innocent and sweet-faced once yourself. And then you started impersonating Sean Connery at 5 am.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

so what's he playing? (slow connection won't allow me to tune in...)

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

A predictable selection: smashing pumpkins, joy division, cranes, david bowie, alex harvey, mogwai, tricky, placebo etc

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

OH HOW HORRIBLE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

now rolling stones: paint it black - it's like classic rawk hour

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume he'll play Interpol at some point, which is unfortunate but oh well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

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