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i write for stylus, but only started posting here recently-- i personally was mined from the old pitchfork board, heh.

the new design is amazing and the writing is just getting better and better-- every feature is slam dunk it seems. it makes me wish i hadn't lost the small shred of writing spark i used to have. i wish i could contribute more than i have been this summer.

todd (along with nick and keenan, natch) is the hardest working man on the internet, and it's finally paying off big time. bravo.

colin mcelligatt, Sunday, 7 September 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not the hardest working man in or on anything or anywhere. Todd, on the other hand, is absolutley Japanese in his work ethic.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 7 September 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The Mercury Music thing was depressing in its gleeful stupidity (especially if it was meant to be); it read like a BNP FAP in Welling.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:19 (twenty-two years ago)

They tried to sign me but Roman Abramovich offered me more. Serious answer I just don't have the time and I write for the devils euro now.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still pursuing you, Ronan...

I'm sorry you didn't like the Mercury piece, Marcello. I wasn't sure how it would turn out and it was done very quickly, more as an irreverent aside than anything else. Initially it was going to be a Pop Playground but ended up too long. Comparing it to "a BNP FAP in Welling" is a bit harsh though, I think.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

No surrender, no surrender, no surrender to Ath-ath-lete.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Excerpts from the piece in question:

Dom: There ’s that Brummie guy with the stupid name!

Dom: Kenko Soweto?

Swygart: Soweto Kinch.

Dom: That ’s the bugger.

Dom: What musical genre is he again?

Swygart: It ’s hip-hop. It ’s jazz. It ’s craziness.

Our two correspondents think it funny to laugh at black people's names and black music. Yes, all these jungle bunnies are crazy, aren't they?

Dom: I think Dizzee Rascal ’s fans put me off really.

Swygart: Dizzee is also going down the chart fairly slowly too, only dropped nine places this week.

Dom: They ’re all white guys with deliberately messy hair and stupid tee-shirts and dads who play golf.

Swygart: Well, the ones who write about him are, anyway.

Er, that includes me, and also by extension yourselves. So insult your colleagues into the bargain.

I took Stylus off my CoM links because of this article, and also K-Punk for similar sexist rubbish. Zero tolerance.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I can only say sorry.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello... actually, no.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Zero tolerance.

Just out of interest, why is it okay to overlook such attitudes in pop music you like (ie CoM's Dizzee review) and not in tossed-off pieces of glib web-writing? Why is Church of Me recommending Boy In Da Corner despite your argument that it also contains what you upthread call "sexist rubbish"? Why apply zero-tolerance to one field and not another?

I'm not being facetious, I'm interested in your reasoning for this.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

haha trife to thread.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Larkin's law.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Look, Marcello... are you that bored you have to argue? Seriously? Because if so... fine. Whatever.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you that bored that you have to post a stupid "article" like that in the first place? Is the Mercury Mucus Prize even worth writing about?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I asked my question first. Notice the use of "crazy" to describe indie later on the article as well, boy. Does that mean the article is racist to whites as well?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"boy." We're not on the plantation any more. Perhaps you didn't realise.

Marcello (boy?) Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I think people need to jettison the Popbitch "pram-face" creed to which most bloggers seem to be subscribing at present.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure there are more worthy targets than tossed-off interweb irreverent-opinion pieces, Marcello.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Haven't you got some 2,000 word article on the intense sonic soundscapes created by the Thunderbugs you could bore the blog world by posting?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, there's a difference between being irreverent and being offensive.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

But some people can be both.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yourself, for instance.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no, I've been burnt. Hey, try that line about how all football fans are racist again boy, that was a cracker of a line that one.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Since I edited the piece in question I guess I should take some of the blame, as I didn't omit the offending statements. But the reason I didn't omit them was because I didn't think they were offensive, either in content or context. No one else has mentioned it, and in fact quite a few people have said it was a good fun piece, which is all it was ever meant to be.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick Southall? Nick Griffin more, um, like.

(Hey, you can have that one for free Marcello)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and boy, while you're on your rampage against terms like "pramface" and "council" for the bigotry they contain, perhaps you'd care to explain the "a big fuck you to the dole office" comment on the latest CoM. Or perhaps instead you could just raise "issues" to disguise your lack of point.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

For free? You get what you pay for. Ha.

False Name, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

In his early years Norman Jay was fucked about big-time and generally treated like shit by the DHSS - on a racial level as well as a social level. Thus the "fuck you to the dole office" in reference to his recent MBE, i.e. to those bureaucrats who told him he was nothing, a worthless piece of shit.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the article is racist - the "stupid name" comment was stupid at worst (actually, its no more or less stupid a name as 'Dom Passantino'), but nowhere NEAR as offensive to me as the term "jungle bunnies" even used ironically.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Keep telling yourself that Marcello.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly Matt. I've lost count of the times people have riffed on my name (Domino's Pizza you say? Ho ho ho). I hardly think each and every single one of those guys was a raging xenophobe.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Never mind the article anyway; what do people think of the graphic design on the banner-link to it from the frontpage? Isn't that picture beautiful? (i.e. it's one of mine, as are quite a lot of the stock images on Stylus...)

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck it. Fuck off the lot of you.

1st point of issue - Soweto Kinch.

1) Dom couldn't remember his name. That is all.

2) I said what I said NOT because it's hip-hop and jazz, but because people are saying it's great because it's a fusion of hip-hop and jazz, like when people say Faithless are really clever and innovative because they have live instruments, or Jason Downs thought he was really clever because he was a country musician who had a rapper on his records, or The Red Hot Chilli Peppers think they're really clever because they fuse funk and rock and rap and, fuck it, I dunno, throat singing, because they're so fucking immensely fucking talented. Common thread between the three - they're shite, jsut like the Stereophonics, just like Starsailor, trading off their supposed 'talent' rather than the music they actually come out with. Maybe Mr Kinch bucks this trend, I have no idea. I may even listen to some of his music one day.

The Dizzee Rascal comments that I made, I do apologise for. Not racist, just rather flippant and ill-informed. Thing is, upon reading them again, they're eerily reminiscent of comments So Solid Crew made about him in their NME interview, about how he's not street because he hasn't gone top 10, and has probably never even seen a gun, comments that nearly propelled me to buy the album solely because they were that ignorant and ill-informed. Of course, though, I didn't, and I bought the Wildhearts and Mower instead. I also went public school, am a virgin, and am currently drinking a bottle of Fanta and eating a Mars Bar thus increasing the grip of the evil corporations on the world or whatever the fuck else you wanna fucking have a go at me about. I didn't go on the anti-war marches, there's one.

Truth be told, I can't fucking stand situations like this. This is why you're waiting on four album reviews from me, because I hate confrontation, I hate discussion, I hate upsetting people, and all the fucking time I'm pussyfooting around trying to avoid bullshit like this by not saying anything, which is probably why half the fucking top 40 review is filled with pictures, and the other half is basically me going 'Erm...' Alright? I can't fucking write about music, I can't fucking write about anything without sounding like a bloody simpleton, an arrogant prick, or just a fucking moron generally. And that ISN'T whinging, I am NOT having a go at you, I don't fucking know what I am doing, I'm meant to be writing some letter to uni about how exactly I want to go back there because otherwise I'm fucking stuck where I am right bloody now, but no, I'm writing this stream-of-consciousness bile-fuelled fuckerbucker 500 cack because I cannot handle anything.

Dom, you just missed Raul Malo on Des & Mel.

W.B. SWygart, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dom, you just missed Raul Malo on Des & Mel.

You see, that's the important thing here.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

ah fuck. Couldn't fucking keep it simple, could I.

Sorry. Sorry sorry sorry sorry.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't fret.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

In fact, I've just remembered. If you really wanna get offended, XFM's Music:Response show had Dizzee Rascal as their album of the week when it came out. THis meant they had a competition each night to win a copy. If I remember right, this competition went along the following lines: female presenter says some 'street slang', and the callers have to guess what it means.

This, I think, is roughly what you're equating me with. Which I'm not very happy about.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I'm squarely equating you with an idiotic racist who prefers to make fun of the names of musicians WHEN THEY HAVEN'T EVEN LISTENED TO THE MUSIC IN QUESTION.

If you're not even capable of undertaking that elementary level of homework, you should not be writing about music.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

We weren't making fun of his name.

And no, maybe we shouldn't be.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes Marcello. That's exactly what you're doing. Well done.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes you were, and no maybe about it - you shouldn't be.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

No we weren't. He couldn't remember Soweto Kinch's name, and he made a guess at it. That's it. That's what it was. That's all it fucking was.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Then you should have said that, instead of "There's that Brummie guy with the stupid name," shouldn't you?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but this doesn't ACTUALLY indicate racism, does it? Idiocy I will accept, ranting without having heard the music I will also accept. But for fuck's sake, Marcello, you're intelligent enough not to stoop such to sub-Trifean levels... I mean, Jesus.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

This is demeaning everybody involved now.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

So would it be racism if I'd done the same thing about a white guy, or are you just randomly chucking out double standards because trolling is more productive for you than forming actual relationships with other human beings?

(Xpost)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool down bredren. Stop all the fussin' and fightin'.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Soweto Kinch any good then? Should I buy his record?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

He's potentially a very good altoist indeed. The record's OK - I'm not sure that the rap stuff fits in, and the d&b bit on "Mungo's Adventure" doesn't quite work, but things like "Doxology" and "Flame Thrower" are very fine post-Coltrane workouts. I'd say it was worth a listen.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, can I add my two cents?

A) I wasn't a huge fan of that piece, largely b/c I thought the IM-ish thing was just sort of sloppy and hard to read. Nick and I tried to pull off a piece like this earlier and, well, it never ran. For good reason.

B) I think there's a difference between "racism" and "racial insensitivity". One is pretty much evil -- the other merely stupid. This seemed to clearly be flirting the latter -- a tossed-off, somewhat poorly thought-out attempt at glibness.

I would hope, Marcello, you wouldn't write off Stylus based on one isolated instance of something of this nature.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)


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