Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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She wouldn't last a week on American Idol - does that make her not proper pop?

In any case, "Smile" was one of the very few songs I could tolerate on Radio 1 upon moving to London approx. 4 weeks ago so for that I'm grateful.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

ha that remix is hilarious

name checks: Upper Street, Brighton, Craven Cottage

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Putting things in perspective, there is simply nothing in the world worse than that twittering idiot posho bird, Lily so-called Allen, being let out of her gilded cage so she can flap about the once respectable hit parade. And it’s all thanks to billionaire tycoon Lord Keith Allen, using all the influence and clout that the name Fat Les carries to curry favour with bloody Murdoch so he can weasel his sprog onto the exclusive MySpace empire!
Once on that rarefied playground of the monied and connected it was only a matter of time before pop kids - most of whom are working or lower-middle class and therefore don’t even know their own minds, let’s not forget - were duped into liking the sub-cod-phoney-not-even-proper-or-anything-ska-pop-so-called-“music” being peddled by the fairy princess, ‘Lolly’ (geddit?) Allen.
So that’s how things work these days, is it? Some silly, landed gentry tart asks pater for a hit single - and a hit album, and tour - Keithy then goes “whatever my devoted daughter wants, she shall receive”, clicks his fingers, and, hey-presto - a mix session on Annie Mac awaits. Well, PAH! Girls Aloud got to where they got thanks to NOBODY’S help. Just blood, sweat and tours. Graft. Doing it properly. Playing proper pop properly. PROPER! Get that? LILY ALLEN IS NOT PROPER! WHY WON’T PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME? HOW MANY TIMES?
She gets carried onstage on an IVORY sedan chair over a carpet of POOR PEOPLE, then flaunts around to the sound of ska pop - even though she’s not even a PROPER darkie, which means she shouldn’t be allowed. Afterwards she then gets driven back to the Allen big house, very big house in the country in a ROLLS ROYCE made from DIAMONDS glued together with the TEARS of the OPPRESSED while she LARFS and SCOFFS on PANDA steaks and snorting “GAK” and a drug so trendy YOU haven’t even HEARD of it.
And you know what? The public fucking lap it up! Well, it’s fat-faced men on internet music message boards who are the real arbiters of taste, not them thicko bastards, so anyone who likes Lily Allen can fuck off.

God, that young woman’s success makes me sick to my stomach.

― Sir Self-appointed guardian of taste (scarlet), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think the songs are catchy and innocent & summery & happy and they work, so there.

I really don't see why we need SEVEN MILLION MESSAGES (approx.) about who she is and whether her accent is real or not and why she's not from the right background and how that's the only thing that seems to matter in that funny medieval caste system the britishes live in and how that determines the score her album gets more than the music on there.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

note to last 2 posters: ADD ME AS FRIEND

― Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

no-one has been this 'love it or hate it' since...?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Sir Self-appointed guardian of taste OTM, excellent post -- bit racist (PROJECTION!), but hey.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'll think you'll find it was a rather boring parody.

― jimnaseum - music to make you staga (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

i know right

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I am so sick of angry, ironic, snarky, self-righteous music critics. That was embarrasing to read. wmurch3 has hit it on the head -- it looks like you've got an agenda, and it's sad to witness. That's why I stopped reading Pitchfork! And now I have to get it from Stylus. By the way, about two months ago, this site was the first place I'd ever heard of Lily Allen...a rave review of the tunes she posted on MySpace. I checked her out, loved her irreverence, and was excited that something this well-made might actually make it on the radio. I didn't give a sh*t where she came from, and it was fun reading her blogs and witnessing her fame explode week after week. However, I'm not sure where you're getting your facts. She never complained about any waiter, she never bragged about her dress, she never seriously complained about her upbringing (although who doesn't?), and if she does have an identity crisis, who's to blame her? She's f*cking 21 years old! Now, about the music, Dom, I think your rage has blinded you to what appear to my eyes to be harmless observances of her experiences as said 21-year-old. Whether or not they're embellished, who cares??? Whatever, it seems like Lily Allen's a flashpoint for controversy, which is fine in my book. I like that.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody noticed the difference between the album and the myspace versions of "Smile"? I like the latter a lot more and I don't know where else I can find it. Any info?

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

And the flipside of all the cattiness is "Littlest things", which also happens to be best track on the album and brings a tear to even my wizened and jaded eye!

Good old Jerry. I wasn't prepared for this song when I heard it, listening to the album for the first time, on the bus. Before I knew it there were tears and then I played it again and it happened again.

She's got the kind of voice that makes you feel you know her, and that's pretty rare I think.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Lex = spot on. In America, this stuff reads as idie-pop for uptight Anglophiles who sneer at "mainstream taste." Belle & Sebastian with beats.

Still, it's pretty damn great, for what it is. Funny, nasty, contrived and really quite charming.

But DAMN that Stylus review is some crazy shit. A frothing bag of displaced hostilities. Hope dude's got some kids to beat, or he might end up hurting someone...

― fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've enjoyed this album for a good 3 weeks, but alas as expected I've already lost interest. these types of albums never seen to have any longetivity

― boonah (boonah), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe we should stop liking the music in public and Dom 'n Lex will stop hating on her so much? (Maybe they're like our Picture Of Dorian Gray, hating her more every time we say we find music quite catchy & fun? Except they're not hanging in our attic like they should - like the picture is in the book, I mean, er, analogy needs more work)

So yeah, she sucks.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

I say, Esteban OTM.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

With shock, I heard her blasting from speakers on the street here in Moscow. She is everywhere.

― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

lovely

"... even if only for one weekend"

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

I love this album, and I'm totally rockist. Make of that what you will.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

the beginning of "little things" / "littlest things" sounds like karma police, btw

: )

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

The line that always gets me is "you'd take me shopping / and all we'd buy is trainers / as if we needed anything to entertain us"...

Tear googles ahoy.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeh, it's one of those "ambushed by unexpected emotion" tracks innit?

The beginning of it reminds me of a different song from Karma Police -some 70's ballad I can't put my finger on.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

'sexy sadie'

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

no, not sexy sadie.

shame for you is obviously "no, no, no" by dawn penn. what with this and the fucking paris hilton track is it another 1993-style Reggae-lite revival?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

not really by dawn penn, dog latin!

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeh? who did it first?

the song i'm thinking of is maybe that "where do you go to my lovely?" or something from that era.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:b27ibka9hakz

uh, i think it was Dawn Penn who did No, No, No. AllMusic seems to think so.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

my colleague compared her to a "watered-down version of Pauline Black" from the Selecter, which I thought was a bit weird.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

i thought that song sounds like the start of Cat Stevens' Wild World..

― Shooz (shooz), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

The recent hit was by Dawn Penn.

The original was by Dawn Penn.

k'poing.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

well i never.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

(RC might be thinking of the version by KC White that was done I think a few years after the original)

― todd (todd), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

i was thinking of the one one 'x00% dynamite', yerp.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I like the idea that if I released a song about helping zombie Hitler rape a retarded Palestinian baby I would have a far shorter ILM thread devoted to me than if I went to a particular school and talked a particular way and released a gentle, inoffensive to the point of being unnoticable, song. Then I would get 1000 answers.

Or maybe I'm missing something.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, the #1 hit thing. Never mind.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

The Keith Allen thing doesn't help

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Nor does the video.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

it's the 'look ma, no PR' bullshit.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

It's just bullshit.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

it's the 'look ma, no PR' bullshit.

isn't it the 'look ma (the famous film producer), no PR' bullshit?

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I still have no fucking idea who Keith Allen is (he is fat? And affluent? Or something?), and bullshit PR tactics aren't exactly unique to her. The whole thing makes me feel either too old or too young, I can't figure out which.

In the end I'm assuming it all comes down to Lily seeming like a peer and this opening her up to a whole bunch of criticisms that wouldn't normally be applied to anyone else (as happened with the Strokes) but jeeeez.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Keith Allen co-wrote a couple of football songs in the nineties which sold quite well.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

A peer? Are your parents famous media people too?

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Please, my parents weren't modeling agency owners and I didn't go to private school but I still recognized that I was in roughly the same social group as the Strokes for all intents and purposes (white college-educated kids with parents to fall back on, living in New York and being artsy) and that the fact that I had been around people like that for a certain portion of my life allowed me to assume certain things about them that I couldn't about, say, Master P. Familiarity breeds you-know-what.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

if only Lily would team up with her Dad for a reworking of 'Tickle Tune' we could have the best Christmas #1 ever and credibility restored.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Giles Coren vs AA Gill (20 new answers)

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Victoria Coren vs Nicola Formby (1679 new answers)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

the strokes also had shitty music.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Roddy McMillan vs Andy McEvoy (-2 new answers)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody noticed the difference between the album and the myspace versions of "Smile"? I like the latter a lot more and I don't know where else I can find it. Any info?

The album and singles all suck because the songs have been rerecorded to avoid sampling lawsuits!! I don't think the MySpace versions have been commercially released in any form. Even the original limited-edition 7" of "LDN"/"Knock 'Em Out" is re-recorded! And not only does it not contain the "AIDS! AIDS! I've got AIDS!" bit, it fades out right after "I gotta go. My house is on fire." It doesn't even get to "I've got syphilus" before it fades out completely!! Not to mention the fact that the production on the re-recorded tracks is too damn shiny. It sounds like a fucking ABBA record! I want my Lily Allen to sound all lo-fi, like they're being played on the very same 1980s old-school boombox that Lily's jamming to on the album cover. You can't listen to no impeccably-produced pop songs on a boombox like that!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

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