it's also implying that 'melodic development' is necessary to quality music somehow
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:15 (eight years ago) link
richard osborn! I haven't read the notes and didn't know he'd put out an album in november but he put some great stuff up on youtube a few years ago. a more practical investigation of fahey's style. I recognise this is a pretty niche interest bit of music but I loved it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDsyRfIH0A
in the description there he calls fahey the 'masterful old paranoid' which sounds about right
the double thumbing fahey is always going to loom largest and there is something restrictive in it, I'd say some of JF's best stuff is his most formally restricted and minimal tho cf dry bones in the valley or similar
i also love the way fahey deploys more cliche blues turnarounds etc., I guess you could call it smug almost (or ironic if you really don't get it) the way he slips them in with a wink, but he treats his own material in just the same way, it's the way he plays, it's organic. the way he can subtly reset something, even just through right hand timing is just gorgeous, using old material to whip up something exquisite before your eyes. & his treatment is much more subtle than the way osborn plays with faheyisms above in the video I just praised (and maintain is v fun!), but no one's in JF's league for that stuff, no shame there
― ogmor, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:20 (eight years ago) link
if you don't love JF for being truly, beautifully laconic then you don't truly love JF imo
― ogmor, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:23 (eight years ago) link
haha totally. pitting basho vs. fahey is understandable but misguided I think. hard to put into words, but the more i listen to both, the more it seems like they were after completely different things.
― tylerw, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:26 (eight years ago) link
this richard osborn album was sounding good until I got distracted with that post and now I'm listening to god time & causality. prime bit of fahey squeezing something transcendent out of familiar materials
https://richardosborn.bandcamp.com/
― ogmor, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:33 (eight years ago) link
yeah i really dig osborn's album
― tylerw, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:35 (eight years ago) link
there is something in how completely fahey and basho diverged that makes them pleasing to contrast in some ways tho. basho as exoticist and escapist, of everything including himself, fahey as becoming more and more familiar, always going deeper into himself
― ogmor, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:37 (eight years ago) link
That's a great read on their differences. Totally agree
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 22 January 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link
Yeah if they weren't associated personally and business wise, honestly I wouldn't really put them in the same zone, not like comparing, say Fahey and Kottke or Lang where all three are different but more aligned in general
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 January 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link
great comparison ogmor, gonna chew on that for a while
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 22 January 2016 23:41 (eight years ago) link
those stories about Basho in the Fahey bio are pretty funny -- I mean, he probably was a pretty huge dork
― tylerw, Friday, 22 January 2016 23:41 (eight years ago) link
Stereogum are streaming the new Cian Nugent albumhttp://www.stereogum.com/1854368/stream-cian-nugent-night-fiction-stereogum-premiere/mp3s/
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Monday, 25 January 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
Man, thanks for that Basho/Fahey rundown, definitely the shit that keeps this thread fun for the ages.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link
Good video of a tune from Nathan Bowles upcoming solo record. I really like his phrasing/pacing, just hits a lot of sweet spots for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AiEWshKUe8&feature=youtu.be
― grandavis, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link
Man, thanks for that Basho/Fahey rundown, definitely the shit that keeps this thread fun for the ages.― grandavis, Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:57 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
on that note i stumbled across this group yesterday, not the most active thing in the world (also horrible to navigate) but a lot of good reflections and posts from people like rich osbourn, glenn jones, etc.https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbiebasho_forum/info
fun topic about basho vs. fahey:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbiebasho_forum/conversations/topics/721
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 18:12 (eight years ago) link
Hah hah looks like a dangerous road to go down, i.e., hours of distraction perhaps. Gonna return next time I have a blizzard at hand.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 18:55 (eight years ago) link
These days I'm playing more (early) Ackerman and Kottke than Fahey and Basho, but that's probably just because, like many of you, I've seriously OD'd on Fahey over the past decade or so (including reading three different books about him). I like Basho but a little goes a long way imo. Twilight Peaks is still my favorite of his.
I do seriously love Kottke's 6 and 12 String Guitar as much as any Fahey album. First Ackerman is incredible, too.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
yeah Turtle's Navel is fantastic. do i need Kottke's Ice Water? or Greenhouse?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:47 (eight years ago) link
Greenhouse, yes.
― Austin, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:54 (eight years ago) link
ice water was the end of my attempt to get into kottke
those yahoo groups are the real deal though, lots of veterans on there
― ogmor, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:35 (eight years ago) link
i really like parts of Mudlark ... but mainly the instrumentals. Keep thinking I'll come around on his vocals, but it hasn't really happened yet. this is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4xNFl521s
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:39 (eight years ago) link
the solo version of cripple creek on fahey/kottke/lang is mb my favourite kottke thing
― ogmor, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
i feel like that and 6-and-12 string are about the only kottke i really 'need'
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:45 (eight years ago) link
I've always thought that self-deprecation became structural with Kottke - like a habit he couldn't shake (certainly not something you could ever level at Basho or Fahey). It may well have been deliberate, but it ultimately means he's always a few rungs down the ladder for me.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:40 (eight years ago) link
Which is to say he had all the talent, but seemed wary of, or simply didn't have the means of, transcendence.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:42 (eight years ago) link
Weird because I understand he is (or was) one of the preeminent pot smokers of guitar soli
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:56 (eight years ago) link
Maybe I'm totally misreading him and it's a kind of zen clowning or something. Ach, I dunno. I feel like I'm doing him a disservice; he's always going to seem grounded and a bit meat and potatoes next to the sheer Otherness of artists like Fahey and Basho.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 23:01 (eight years ago) link
Lang>Kottke IMO
feeding tube with some gorgeous reissue ish
http://feedingtuberecords.com/releases/rusalnaia/
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Hmm very interesting!
― Evan, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
yeah, don't know that one! was just thinking that an "espers scene" box set/comp would be kind of a cool thing.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
honestly feeding tube should do a subscription thing like numero i feel like i'm always interested in everything he puts out
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link
I know, I wish I could keep up!
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link
there was an unreleased roger miller from mission of burma album i wanted to get
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
That was a reissue of an old LP on Forced Exposure, and it is very good
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
new cian nugent up on streaming services... only partway in but i really like it. not sure how much i'd latch on to it if i didn't know he came from the '~guitar soli~~' community but thought some folks in here would appreciate
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 29 January 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i think it's fantastic, but he's going pretty far afield from the fingerpicking scene (though there's one solo instrumental included). great guitar playing throughout, though.
― tylerw, Friday, 29 January 2016 16:03 (eight years ago) link
yeah i guess there's something about the record that connects to this thread though- less so the fingerpicking or lack of fingerpicking and maybe more the overarching approach. i dunno. i'm no good at writing about music!
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 29 January 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link
i mean, it's as relevant to the thread as the last few steve gunn recordsforsyth sings a bit on his new one, too (though it's more of a side thing than on Night Fiction)
― tylerw, Friday, 29 January 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link
The thread goes where the thread goes, as it should.
― grandavis, Friday, 29 January 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
NO! we must keep it puuuure.speaking of which, I just finally watched the Fahey doc from a little while back -- not *bad* per se, but man, they really could've gotten better people to interview. I guess a lot of people (kottke, glenn jones, lang, etc) just didn't want to be involved? really, what would be cool is a multi-part doc (or maybe just a book) that covers the whole american primitive/takoma scene from fahey through now. who's gonna do it?!
― tylerw, Friday, 29 January 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
i still wanna see a semi-fictionalized movie about fahey (or a fahey-like character). since he played so many games with his biography/persona i think it'd lend itself to a truer representation of who he was than listening to pete townshend talk about how good he was
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 29 January 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
^definitely, I've thought this
― ogmor, Friday, 29 January 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link
although the chances of it being abysmal are high
Gotta be some weirdo auteur with some access to capital that is a Fahey nut out there. It could be really cool or abysmal, it is true, but probably more fun than a straight bio.
― grandavis, Friday, 29 January 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link
speaking of "keeping it pure", been meaning to relisten to lenny breau.
ctrl+f'd him but was really surprised there was never a discussion on him.
you definitely get a different vibe than listening to fahey, but the fingerpicking is just so good.
anyone a fan?
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 29 January 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
Not heard of him, will check him out
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 30 January 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link
Lenny Breau is excellent! If you have any tolerance at all for jazz playing (or even dig Django), he will be your new dude. Incredible dexterity, but also style for miles. Not really a great fit for this thread imo, but a great player nonetheless. This is the one I have (a twofer) and I listen to quite a bit:
www.discogs.com/Lenny-Breau-Five-OClock-Bells-Mo-Breau/release/7586560
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 30 January 2016 01:34 (eight years ago) link
yeah, you're right that he's not a right fit for this thread, but i think there might be people here who would appreciate it.
kind of reminds me a bit of chet atkins sometimes, but yeah, where *is* the appropriate thread for that stuff?
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Saturday, 30 January 2016 01:37 (eight years ago) link
I like Django a lot sounds cool. Is it more jazz?
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 30 January 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link
yeah and he throws some classical elements in there
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Saturday, 30 January 2016 01:42 (eight years ago) link