Pazz and Jop.

i mean, i don't use pazz & jop for discovering new stuff, but i did a similar thing w the ilx eoy nominations

is there one or two voters whose ballots you really like, Dinsdale? glenn's stats offer a list of similar ballots ... should get you closer to other voters worth your time, i would think

That's the thing, it's hard to find out. I would pick one album I like from the albums list then click on the writers who had it on their ballot, and most of the time everything else on the ballot is stuff I already know and usually don't like. Sometimes there's one thing you don't know so you google it etc. (because yes lex, I'm aware of google) but it's just super tedious after a while. I mean if you're going to do something like that make it so that it entices people to discover stuff, instead of making it feel like a very boring day job. Take the ILX Metal EOY for instance, I listened to plenty of stuff and discovered a few good ones because it was done in a way that made it easy to (direct links to stream the album, reviews and so on).

As soon as I find something worth digging into I will try out the glenn thing though, thanks for the heads up

I like Marc Masters' ballot the best so far

I forgot about that Obnox album he listed. They/he were good live last year. I like the punkier and poppier (Chills) stuff he listed, more than the noisier/experimental ones.

Ha. I'm the opposite.

instead of making it feel like a very boring day job

man can't you just let these sad pros have their fun

I'm finding that searching the furia stats is much easier/better (can search by artist for example).
Glenn is there a way to search for 'breadth'? I think that's a stat of interest to me.

Glenn, not sure if this is anything you're actually interested in or care about, but have you ever inquired about getting older data?

I know the voice site swallowed and distorted many of the aughts polls, but I bet the original ballots are somewhere to be found...

I know I can def access, like, my 2003 ballot via wayback machine

I just clicked on the 5 most similar ballots to MMast3rs and there were a couple Wilco votes here and there, but lots of other stuff I didn't know (granted, Dinsdale, you and I are different humans).

D*ve S3gal of The Stranger in Seattle - who is one of Mast3rs' similar ballots, and may be on ILM? - is a fave of mine as far as finding interesting/weird/good stuff.

why are you googleproofing their names

I just clicked on the 5 most similar ballots to MMast3rs and there were a couple Wilco votes here and there, but lots of other stuff I didn't know (granted, Dinsdale, you and I are different humans).

Yeah that's a very useful feature, I've found some stuff I plan to investigate.

I've asked about older data before, yes. So far it hasn't been a priority for them, but with the upcoming sale and potential data-system changes I'll ask again.

I mean, I'm sure a site like furia that they don't own or make a penny of ad money from is zero priority to them, but I was just thinking maybe an intern could dig it up for shits and giggles

Marc is my closest P&J neighbor. We share two albums.

I don't think Dave S. is an ilxor, or at least I feel like I'd know if he was. Maybe a lurker? Idk

Just in case someone here is in charge of the pazz+jop thing, the Shopping album listed is their 2013 release, the new one is called Why Choose

Let me rectify: the 2015 album is there but one critic voted for the 2013, I assume he got the title wrong

Well I'm dumb, he voted for both and the 2013 was also reissued last year so... Let's pretend the last three posts never existed.

Hey glenn, if you're still soliciting corrections: "Kime Ne - Insanlar" has the artist and track title reversed.

Thanks!

so, uh, is this still happening

it's a reasonable question. Glenn are you on it this goround?

wasn't last year's ballot mailing not done until December too?

Yes, it's still on. I don't have anything to do with it until after voting closes, but I know ballots haven't gone out yet, so nobody has missed anything.

cool, thanks!

http://www.villagevoice.com/authors/robert-christgau-6354191

CHristgau is writing for the Voice again. I wonder if he'll be involved

thanks! (for some reason I keep thinking the initial email comes out in november)

Whoa! The Voice hired Xgau back?! Why wasn't this bigger news?

Last year's ballot showed up Dec. 4, so they're not running late.

I swear, every other year when I try to vote I encounter some sort of technical crap that makes it impossible, then I wind up having to re-enter everything.

(Sorry, that sounded bratty, given everything happening right now)

Ballot arrived today. I'll probably submit the same top 10 I sent The Wire.

did not expect to get a ballot from someone I know from ifmud

"Welcome to the Village Voice's annual Music Critics Poll (formerly known as Pazz + Jop)"

RIP Pazz + Jop

Why would you fuck with the name? Especially for generic ass one?

"NFL Annual Championship Game Between the American and National Football Conferences"

Probably some unhip marketing person going "what's a Pazz"? What's a Jop?" No one knows what means.

what that means

Good for them. "Pazz and Jop" is a fucking terrible name.

Probably some unhip marketing person going "what's a Pazz"? What's a Jop?" No one knows what means.

― curmudgeon, Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:17 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whereas the hip marketing person is strutting around like 'Pazz! Jop! Zappatypow! Hoobalooba! Ramalama shakkow! Zump! Haha'

i agree that pazz & jop was always an awful name

it had a shred or two of character though

who gives a fuck about the annual Music Critics Poll

Yeah, if anything, now it sounds LESS interesting.

anyway i have no idea how i'm still getting invited to participate, i haven't done any music writing in years and i could've sworn there was a point where they were like "please resubmit your credentials" or w/e, maybe not

I voted for either 2 years or maybe 3 years in the mid-00s, and then one year nobody sent me a ballot and I never bothered to find out why because I'm lazy. And now it's been a really long time since I've written anything anywhere.

Is there a VV contact more responsive and/or less inundated than the generic address through which the ballots are sent? Trying to get a colleague added to the mix.

Neil deMause, the Special features editor is listed on the email that was sent out but not his email

His about page just gives a form link to send messages to a general box I think

http://www.villagevoice.com/about/contact?to=6731940

deadline in 4 hours

submitted an hour late because I suck, hope it's counted