wait, Sheryl Crow?
― alpine static, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 08:09 (eight years ago) link
Sheryl Crow singing Nirvana unplugged--Courtney Barnett
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 14:06 (eight years ago) link
29 album votes for Leon Bridges retro-soul is more than the votes for r'n'b singers doing current styles (Dawn Richard got 23 album votes). Pazz & Jop electorate.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 14:11 (eight years ago) link
dyl: Yes, it looks like the Voice site is combining all songs with a given title. I could swear they fixed this last year, but I'll point it out again. In the case of "Style", 2 of those 10 are votes for Ryan Adams' version, so 8+12=20 is the right total for Taylor's.
You're correct that I missed the 2014 vote for Miguel's "Coffee" (because of "Miguel" vs "Miguel (ft. Coffee)"). I'll fix that, because I hate wrongness, but thankfully it doesn't change the order.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 14:20 (eight years ago) link
20 album votes for Congolese act Mbongwana Star at 34th, yes! Wonder what the highest ranking African album vote has been?
As for afropop, I cast the sole track vote for Nigerian Wizkid's "Ojuelegba " ...I haven't looked to see what other afropop cuts or albums made it
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 15:44 (eight years ago) link
two votes for South African track-- Heavy K (ft. Tresor), Give Me Luv
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link
Wonder what the highest ranking African album vote has been?
Probably Fela or King Sunny Ade in the '80s. Maybe Konono No. 1 a few years ago.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link
Yes....I feel like "the Indestructible Beat of Soweto" comp back in the 80s might have also done well.
The Mbongwana Star vote probably includes a number of Konono No. 1 supporters
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 15:54 (eight years ago) link
I am never going to hear Sheryl Crow in Courtney Barnett no matter how many times people say it. I'm not doubting that other people hear it, it's just never made sense as a reference point to me. I wonder if those comparisons mostly come from people who started with this album rather than the EPs? Anyway, even though I like her a lot, #2 is absurdly high. But as indie-rock-consensus AOTY I'll definitely take it over Father John Misty ...
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link
Also, hat tip to those who got Miguel, Dawn and Jazmine as high as they did. I still get PnJ ballots but I haven't submitted one since I stopped writing about music four years ago. Now I'm just a guy who likes music and listens to some of it, so a ballot would feel illegitimate. But this was the first year I was tempted anyway, mostly to vote those three as high as I could.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 16:09 (eight years ago) link
could someone explain how you use the poll or McDonald list to find new music or critics to follow?
― campreverb, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 16:36 (eight years ago) link
1. Read poll results2. Click on entries you like3. Click on the names of the people who voted for the things you like4. Check out the other things they voted for that you don't know5. Remember the names of the new things you found that you liked5. Remember the names of the people who voted for things you didn't know but liked after you listened to them
― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 16:37 (eight years ago) link
i just wrote more or less the exact same thing and missed it by five seconds
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 16:38 (eight years ago) link
it would be nice if they had bios, step 3 can turn into a dead end.
― campreverb, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
http://lmgtfy.com/
― maura, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
i just click on the first blue writing i see and hope that eventually music will start playing
― j., Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
the conversation
2012: "maybe don't vote in this, guys"2013: "don't fucking vote in this, you amoral fucks"2014: "if you vote in this or give it any attention you are literally satan"2015: "why is no one talking about this???"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
touche. seriously, that works great if it's say Annie Zaleski, but kind of a black hole if it's James Bradley.plus I gotta check and make sure they didn't vote for FJM.
― campreverb, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
So Greg Tate (who participated in the pnael discussion) and a number of others are also doing writing now for the revived MTV music news website...hmmmm
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
I didn't get a ballot this year so one reason for lower numbers must be omissions in the mailout. Unless they have a particular grudge against me this year, which I'm not ruling out.
― impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link
the ballot also had glitches (it didn't work at all on chrome)
― maura, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link
Shout out to Universal Music B.V. (of the Netherlands), listed as Dornik's label, even though I entered the label name that appears on the copy I purchased.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link
Obviously no "The Personals" section this year--random comments from voters. If that's because they didn't have enough comments submitted, or enough that they thought were usable, I can understand that--maybe that section will be back next year. If they've dropped it because of space limitations, or because they feel the world needed another essay on poptimism (which, in fairness, I haven't read--and won't), then from my vantage point, that's lousy. Checking to see if anything of mine made it in has been the sole interest of the poll for at least the last 15 years. The results mean less than nothing.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
I'm guessing it was space limitations.
The Poptimism essay read like a direct response to the Chris R*chards Washington Post piece where he suggested that poptimism had become an excuse for fluff reviews/coverage of pop stars.
I thought the piece was certainly better than the genius.com one that barely addressed any of the criticisms of the company.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
Obviously no "The Personals" section this year--random comments from voters.
Bummer. That was always my favorite part of pazz and jop.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:54 (eight years ago) link
Jesus! No wonder no one voted.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:55 (eight years ago) link
Whiney tweet on that genius.com story is worth reading
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link
Uh, I somehow got it to work in chrome I think. But yep was nervous whether it worked.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:58 (eight years ago) link
Glenn: There should be two more votes, if I'm not mistaken, for Erykah Badu's "Cel U Lar Device" bc they were credited as "Hotline Bling (Remix)" (these are the same track)
― gaz "puffy" coombes (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 22:40 (eight years ago) link
I admit that I didn't know that. Will fix.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 23:51 (eight years ago) link
Fixed on my site. Will get the Voice to update theirs, too. The Gods of Accuracy appreciate our efforts. Probably.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 14 January 2016 00:10 (eight years ago) link
the ballot also had glitches (it didn't work at all on chrome)Jesus! No wonder no one voted.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i submitted my ballot on Chrome and it was counted fwiw
― some dude, Thursday, 14 January 2016 01:27 (eight years ago) link
you sure there was no problem with it, it seems like there's a Walk the Moon song that turned up in your singles ballot
― poorzingis (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 January 2016 01:43 (eight years ago) link
dog i voted for "Hey Soul Sister," just try and shame me about this
― some dude, Thursday, 14 January 2016 01:47 (eight years ago) link
― clemenza, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:27 (Yesterday) Permalink
I noticed the lack of Personals, too, but I wonder whether it would make sense to keep running that in an era when anyone could blog or tweet 'em or FB 'em or include them in whatever publication they happen to contribute to. Though I DO remember a time when honing and submitting Personals was a huge, huge deal - doesn't seem so long ago.
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 14 January 2016 01:53 (eight years ago) link
It makes sense in that we might see a comment by someone we didn't know of or might not think to google.
― dow, Thursday, 14 January 2016 02:00 (eight years ago) link
by the time ballot submission day comes around I am too despondent about writing and the thought of doing it to ever do *more*
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 14 January 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
("ever" lasts until january, unless it doesn't, but it really should)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 14 January 2016 18:50 (eight years ago) link
Some clarification on why that Personals section was always important to me. I actually do very little music writing through the year nowadays--some for my homepage, very rarely for some other online project. So I always tried to include a lot of commentary with my Top 10; invariably, it's the first time I'm writing about most of my choices. It was always exciting, even almost 20 years after I first voted, to get a comment or two into that section. And it looks like it's probably gone for good now.
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 January 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, that section was fun.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Ray (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:14 (eight years ago) link
A kind of "favourites" metric for the lower reaches, showing the best placing for albums that received <= a given number of mentions:
Best with <= 30 mentions: The Weeknd, Beauty Behind the Madness (312/30)Best with <= 29 mentions: v/a, Hamilton (Original Broadway Cast Recording) (309/24)Best with <= 23 mentions: Dawn Richard, Blackheart (256/23)Best with <= 22 mentions: Mbongwana Star, From Kinshasa (220/20)Best with <= 19 mentions: Jazmine Sullivan, Reality Show (192/18)Best with <= 17 mentions: Royal Headache, High (182/15)Best with <= 14 mentions: Future, 56 Nights (151/12)Best with <= 11 mentions: Julien Baker, Sprained Ankle (120/11)Best with <= 10 mentions: Susanne Sundfør, Ten Love Songs (115/10)Best with <= 9 mentions: Joan Shelley, Over and Even (110/9)Best with <= 8 mentions: John Grant, Grey Tickles, Black Pressure (97/8)Best with <= 7 mentions: Beauty Pill, Beauty Pill Describes Things As They Are (87/6)Best with <= 5 mentions: Faith No More, Sol Invictus (67/5)Best with <= 4 mentions: Marilyn Manson, The Pale Emperor (66/4)Best with <= 3 mentions: Irène Schweizer & Han Bennink, Welcome Back (49/3)Best with <= 2 mentions: Dodheimsgard, A Umbra Omega (45/2)
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link
3 of my top 4 are in that metric ;_; (and the 4th can't be too far off)
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:54 (eight years ago) link
Sullivan, Richard and who else Lex? I'm curious
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:55 (eight years ago) link
susanne sundfør
(plus, angel haze was my #2 and i was the sole voter)
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:19 (eight years ago) link
minus the weeknd, that's a very ilx list
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 January 2016 02:44 (eight years ago) link
Wish I'd checked Hamilton! Rare to see so much p&j interest in a cast recording. I did vote for Mbongwana Star. Jazmine Sullivan's album is really distinctive too. Joan Shelley seems influenced by early Joni Mitchell, but the voice of her own experience comes through well enough.
― dow, Friday, 15 January 2016 03:33 (eight years ago) link
Speaking of studious young singer-songwriters, Courtney Barnett, like her Melbourne neighbors Dick Diver, seems to have learned from the Go-Betweens, especially Forster, re how to compress and clarify (with oblique strokes) her observational verses, wand her guitar on the choruses, as she says, draws on Television, for bracing yet partial release from verse situations---partial cos she's neurotic(does have a sense of humor, though). The double-EP was lyrically denser, but also good. Dick Diver is more chill.
― dow, Friday, 15 January 2016 03:46 (eight years ago) link
― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 15 January 2016 05:37 (eight years ago) link
Oh yeah, remember that strategy, it's all coming back to me.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Ray (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 January 2016 05:42 (eight years ago) link
I started doing just that but I gave up after seeing that most of the ballots were 'that one thing I liked' + kamasi/barnett/etc and in the rare event there was something unknown you had absolutely no info about it (even just the artwork would have helped). Just doesn't seem worth the hassle.
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Friday, 15 January 2016 07:30 (eight years ago) link