56 NIGHTS v BEAST MODE v MONSTER

took me a little while to get into it

new stuff is like a slow burn ... you have to immerse yourself in it and enter the world it creates to really enjoy i think. feels very direct, too. uncut future.

I don't only think ballad/sensitive Future is good ftr, just reading some year-end write ups reminded me that others are getting something out of his recent stuff that I haven't

guy peaked w/ pluto

future backlash in full swing smh when did ppl forget how to feel

hes overrated in certain ways & underrated in others but none of the things said here negatively feel v true imo

guy peaked plateaued w/ pluto

― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, December 21, 2015 3:44 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dont agree w/ either statement...hes grown tremendously in certain ways imo

it seems like, objectively speaking, future is currently peaking

Rev can i respectfully say you are so damn wrong. i liked "turn off the lights" future too, possibly more (at its peak) but this is just a new different but also really good thing

― flopson, Monday, December 21, 2015 9:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree he's doing something new and different, just that it doesn't interest me and that's ok.

"future backlash in full swing smh when did ppl forget how to feel"

lol really I want to like it more, whenever something reaches that level of acclaim/popularity I feel I'm missing out on something if I'm not feeling it as much. And with Future I'm a fan, it's not like select other rappers where I'm just curious if their new stuff'll win me over.

tbh i'm surprised there hasn't been more division over future's direction; i know the romantic space balladry wasn't the sum total of his work previously but so much of his reputation was built on people buying into it, and this nihilistic unpleasant new future doesn't just contradict it but actively seeks to kill it

i think i'm more into future's latest music because it doesn't ask us to care about his soul, it's just tunnel vision numbness. i think i was too cynical to fully buy into romantic future even if he's now in the face of it more indefensible

future peaked with 'racks' let's be honest

"i think i'm more into future's latest music because it doesn't ask us to care about his soul, it's just tunnel vision numbness. i think i was too cynical to fully buy into romantic future even if he's now in the face of it more indefensible"

^THIS.

ive never been as invested in the future mythos or persona as a lot of people have been, so perhaps that lack of attachment prevents me seeing a certain progression, or important disparity, but i had difficulty buying the romantic/softer future cos the sadness seemed to largely just be sadboy brags. eg. "Live a rich nigga life, I’m just being honest" - oh poor you, future, singing the rich-rapper blues. not sure why/how im meant to care that much really. but i can see why critics love to go to town with it.

when future's rapping over some seismic juggernaut (eg no compadre or most of ds2, which i would wager is as a *whole* better than the individual mixtapes, good as they can be, no matter that mixtapes may seem the purer representation of what he does), rather than faux-crying, his obnoxiousness hits a more satisfying/suitable, less jarring tone than one where its asking me to sympathise with him (even if that juxtaposition - intellectually at least - admittedly makes it more interesting).

"no compadre" is sooooo good, agree that DS2 >>>> mixtapes because it works better as a coherent flowing whole regardless of whether individual highlights are better

also think "the percocet & stripper joint" is one of DS2's weakest moments, really boring that so many critics homed in on it and only really works as a bonus track; it's not that future can't move me, it's just that sadboy brags pale beside how hard eg "blood on the money" hits

obv a rapper whose whole thing is to tell you how much pain he is in is diff from the average rap image. but it seems like superficial over-determined shtick (you get more gravitas and real conflict in a song like tupac's pain than the entire honest album). but i guess its proven to be critical catnip (see also: drake's whole career).

also, future is/was good at showing what an asshole he is, which i know his fans like to use as a sign of how 'open' and 'real' he is, but im not sure he ever really shows you his real vulnerabilities, he just shows you what a c**t he can be. perhaps thats brave, or perhaps it just shows someone who doesnt really deserve our sympathy. but then i suppose thats a prob i just have with a lot of his peers, like dream, ty, drake, etc, much as i like their music.

^^^^

tbh i'm surprised there hasn't been more division over future's direction; i know the romantic space balladry wasn't the sum total of his work previously but so much of his reputation was built on people buying into it, and this nihilistic unpleasant new future doesn't just contradict it but actively seeks to kill it

― cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 09:00 Bookmark

ya but from a critical career narrative pov (obv the main draw is that shit bangs) i think that desire to kill strengthens the relation to the prev stuff where a simple contradiction would weaken. lover and loner both defined by their emphatic depth. "dress it up and make it real for me... whatever that fuckin mean"

(obv the main draw is that shit bangs)

otm

well nah that was p glib tbh.... 2 bang is 2 transmit emotion therefore it's not unrelated. drake collabo tape is testament to that, like someone turning the light on and off verse by verse

bangs is emotional but distant (read = cool) and clever
his ballads nvr did much for me ever

tryna sell sum dope & eat caviar

also think "the percocet & stripper joint" is one of DS2's weakest moments, really boring that so many critics homed in on it and only really works as a bonus track

I think the main reason why critics gravitated towards that one is the beat is probably the most "Dungeon Family"/ATLiens beat he's had.

really boring that so many critics homed in on it and only really works as a bonus track

i found it weird that so many people honed in on the ds2 bonus tracks in general as like the best part of the album -- p&sj, real sisters, commas, trap niggas, all great tracks sure but most of them were on previous mixtapes. i think i even read some piece calling "kno the meaning" like the emotional core of ds2 and i'm thinking lol that tune isn't even part of the real album

even weirder when yes there are tunes like blood on the money that are spectacular

"percocet" is a masterpiece fuiud

i like how on "percocet" he shouts out belgian rap fans, crazy euros obsessed w/ southern rap deserve shine

i found it weird that so many people honed in on the ds2 bonus tracks in general as like the best part of the album -- p&sj, real sisters, commas, trap niggas, all great tracks sure but most of them were on previous mixtapes. i think i even read some piece calling "kno the meaning" like the emotional core of ds2 and i'm thinking lol that tune isn't even part of the real album

even weirder when yes there are tunes like blood on the money that are spectacular

― marcos, Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:18 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

different people like different songs on an album consisting entirely of very good songs, some newbs even like ones released before the album, some like bonus tracks (does anyone even really make the distinction between bonus tracks and core album anymore? i see it on ilx all the time but i just put it on my ipod)

also, future is/was good at showing what an asshole he is, which i know his fans like to use as a sign of how 'open' and 'real' he is, but im not sure he ever really shows you his real vulnerabilities, he just shows you what a c**t he can be. perhaps thats brave, or perhaps it just shows someone who doesnt really deserve our sympathy. but then i suppose thats a prob i just have with a lot of his peers, like dream, ty, drake, etc, much as i like their music.

― StillAdvance, Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:49 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does future really stand out as an asshole in the field of rap music? i don't really see myself while listening to (any) music asking myself, "Indeed, my senses are aroused, but does this person deserve my sympathy?" i'm not even generally aware that future is asking for my sympathy. is he? is it really that important to hear someone's "real vulnerabilities" in their music? this LexBox criticism was ok in the case of drake before he was good but it has GOT TO STOP

LexBot*

Nobody is better at vivid expression of feeling than future. Just cause he brought those feelings upon himself with his shitty behavior doesn't make those feelings less real or future's evocations of those feelings less powerful.

(does anyone even really make the distinction between bonus tracks and core album anymore?

lol tbh i think i am just a little resentful bc i didn't feel like spending an extra $6 to get a few additional songs that i mostly already had on free mixtapes, so for me the album ends at blood on the money

imho "i dislike the subject matter" is a fundamental misunderstanding of art and furthermore a shabby performance the guilty parties sentenced to listen to this mix for a week straight in a darkened room while contemplating their many failures

http://i.imgur.com/r5xVySM.png

oh reminds me btw I finally made a mix I will post it later

also pushing back at the idea that future is sad boy music theres a lot of compassion magnanimity and other expansive feelings in there

its sad man music lol

Man... Just Like Bruddas is such a great track.

its really incredible

one of the best

the repeat of "That's dirty money, I can smell the gunpowder" is so good

I would argue Sad Rap was just as much a part of the firmament this year in general, there's nothing more trivial or flippant about Ty money or mozzy say (I'm sure ppl with other rap interests this year can come up w similar examples)

Why must all acclaimed rap records be measured against this presumed generic failed archetype

otm

"does future really stand out as an asshole in the field of rap music? i don't really see myself while listening to (any) music asking myself, "Indeed, my senses are aroused, but does this person deserve my sympathy?" i'm not even generally aware that future is asking for my sympathy. is he? is it really that important to hear someone's "real vulnerabilities" in their music? this LexBox criticism was ok in the case of drake before he was good but it has GOT TO STOP"

of course hes not the only asshole. but supreme assholism is a trope that seems to have been particularly popular as of late between weeknd, ty dolla sign, etc etc. im saying i like the music, im saying future is a great rapper, but yes, the sympathy point does hold as he frequently appears to be inviting me to sympathise and indeed empathise with his fallen/tragic/woe-is-me/so-tortured-he-just-wants-to-escape-from-it-all demeanour.

obv i dont need to hear Real Vulnerabilities in every song i hear, but for someone whose fans seem to make this claim (some quotes from the p4k review of ds2 - "a redemption story for a man who is certain it’s too late for his soul to be redeemed"... "never ashamed to confess his depression or infatuation"... "Future thumbs through blood-stained bills, reminded of the life from which he ascended but can’t ever really escape, as much as he may have tried.") of him as making beautiful emotional music (im sure noz writes something to that effect in the latest wire), i think it is okay to maybe want to discuss the issue of how vulnerability is presented in his music. i find future's vocals the most interesting thing about him, more than anything he has to say tbh, hes someone who desperately wants to communicate how out of control he is, how sad, how tragic his life is, how yes, VULNERABLE - he is. i love the grain of his voice tbh, its his greatest asset, but often it also seems like hes trying too hard to come off as pained (ie nearing the point where it becomes shtick).

future backlash in full swing smh when did ppl forget how to feel
--lag∞n

the holidays truly do bring out the worst in people

like flopson, I don't feel like I'm being coerced into feeling sympathy when I hear Future. that said, I think I don't pay enough attention to lyrics so maybe I'm missing a whole lot of stuff.

he doesnt seem that interested in soliciting sympathy imo, id do find him interesting tho

yea i don't feel pulled into feeling sympathy either, i don't get that from future. i dig the timbre of his voice, emotional content in his delivery, vibe, producers he works w/, among other things

future might have a few "sad rapper" moments thinking primarily maybe codeine crazy or throw away but lagoon otm re many expansive feelings otherwise there

him and thug r both notable for infinite effortless variety of flows too

wld say nu future accurately represents the experience of depression, which is much more than just feeling sorry for oneself which is what ppl seems to be meaning here by "sad", including real sadness

obvs depression is not the totally of his expression tho it does very much inform his work imo