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remember when he played those strange rap fellows daily show-style? what a scamp!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:50 (twenty years ago)

"So if a piece reports on a cultural trend (let's say, early retirement, or teen abstinence, or, hell, hipsters in gyms), you don't care whether the trend actually exists?"

Honestly, no. It's a lifestyle piece, and I'm far more interested in seeing what the writer does with the piece than I am the fact value.

Early retirement seems like a regular ol' journalism piece to me.

Teen abstinence and hipsters in gyms? Don't need lifestyle writers to tell me that.

Lifestyle writers are there to entertain. They are funny or interesting, and that's all I expect.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:51 (twenty years ago)

jayson blair was very cute and cuddly as well...

― gringoh, Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)

yr standards are way too low dude

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― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)

In real life journalists do make shit up

And get fired, seconded. Or sometimes they resign first. How many other people have managed to write features, cover stories and straight reporting pieces without fabricating? What do you think their opinion is when they hear someone among them has just done it?

― George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)

And if his book is to believed, Jayson Blair was also catnip to the ladies, who were always hugging him and consoling him and calling him "sweetie."

― Terrible Cold (Terrible Cold), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

My question is, what's a "Senior Associate Editor"???

it's the kind of thing that happens to you when you demand a pay rise and they don't give you one. "let's see ... you're overpaid enough as it is ... how about 'deputy chief senior executive assistant managing associate editor'?"

"great. i'll be at lunch if you need me."

"we won't."

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

The saddest part of this whole thing is that the Village Voice is now the type of publication that runs cover stories on pussy hounders pulled straight out of a Wes Anderson script.

That's your liberal media outlet for you.

No wonder we have a bunch of right-wing idiots running our country....

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

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― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Haha

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Although this would be nothing if the issue were just a fabbed quote

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

Again a terrible counter example but I think the entire tabloid industry lives off generally benign made-up shit and disposes of a sizeable budget to pay for (willfully or not) published fabrications.

hey :-O

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

Ott brings the content!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

um one idea (not mine either): the "cover story" may have nothing to do, anymore, with what the biggest article is, or what's been put in the well, or what's most important that week, but just what might get people to pick it up on one glance.

― geoff (gcannon), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:04 (twenty years ago)

true

blunt, the diff w/tabloids is that the reporters can always find someone to actually say the quotes they're using, so their asses are covered, even if that person is their girlfriend who met posh spice once and is identified as "am acquaintance of victoria beckham" ... ass-covering. so so important.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Distressed by the sorry state the Village Voice finds itself in, ILM goes all 50 posts/hour over it in March 2006.

Let's see, I've been misquoted as many times as I've been interviewed, once a journalist called to ask if he could put a certain phrase he had thought about to my credit. Since then I've become a journalist myself.

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

No I'm really talking about printing complete bullshit and having the means to pay for the consequences.

On a sideline I'd be willing to talk about the "truth" found in right-wing politico editorials. But we're having fun ?

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

I really can't believe anyone is defending this. I don't agree with you at all Yancey...in fact I was pretty surprised at your take on the matter. There's no difference between being a "writer" and a "journalist" when it comes to the law, which is why publishing (possibly damaging) lies is something that any publication must avoid. Anyone who is seeing this as an issue of style is willfully ignoring the morals at play.

"just adoring the kid" is the same line of crap that was swallowed during the Ruth Shalit melodrama. And then she turned right around and burned Salon with more of her "errors."

I'm really curious to hear the opinions of editors on this thread--matos et al--would you run a Nick Sylvester piece or would you blacklist him? Is his "style" or voice or writing chops so unique that you can't live without him?

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

it's a big day for music shitstorms

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/02/D8G3NUIG0.html

― ftgsdag, Friday, 3 March 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)

blacklist

How about just "fire". There's no reason the guy needs to be blacklisted. He made a huge error, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't ever be able to work again.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

obviously he should be fired.

I'm not saying he shouldn't work again. I'm saying who is willing to hire him or assign him, what are the parameters, what is going through your head, and why is he worth it? If you're Nick, what is your groveling strategy? I'm saying, with the Ruth Shalits of the world paving the way (her serial "inaccuracies" that continued after her flameout with the New Republic and the Washington Post), who wants to hire Nick and why? With all the things to worry about as an editor, I'm curious who wants to take on the baggage, and the rationale behind it. Maybe it's a lot more simple than I'm making it.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Nick isn't like those other writers though. He's a failure as a satirist/parodist, but as far as I can tell he never tried to pull a fast one on his editors. Everyone knew his bag was creative semi-fiction. He deserves to be suspended and maybe he deserves to be fired, but this is just not nearly the same thing as Blair/Shalit/Glass/etc.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:45 (twenty years ago)

I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT NICK'S BAG.

― Doug Simmons, Friday, 3 March 2006 00:50 (twenty years ago)

i think one disconnect on these kinds of things is that some percentage of the general public just assumes that reporters make things up all the time. so they don't get why fabrications in a harmless fluff piece matter.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

"it's a composite, like new york magazine does"

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

i remembered another guy who made stuff up and it ruined his career (NOT) - mitch albom!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

this might be the only place where anyone would give a shit about nick sylvester and his bad journalism

― this, Friday, 3 March 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

and two others but frankly they're so far out of sylvester's class (way beyond meltzer) it'd be embarrasing to mention them

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

fuckit - aj liebling and joseph mitchell

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

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― account settings (account), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

Do I think the guy's career should be over? No. Do I think the Voice should fire him? Maybe; that's their ball of wax. If they simply kicked him back to doing straight music crit and his Riff Raff thing, would I be outraged? Not really. As much as this guy is being slagged, he's still a kid. Frankly, maybe that's part of the problem -- Senior Associate Editor at the Voice, and he's a year or two out of college? Now I don't know what that title signifies exactly, but it sure doesn't sound like Nick's experience was suited to the position -- especially if he couldn't handle writing a full feature, as has been implied.

Frankly, I feel a little sorry for him. With the exception of Rob Christgau's Pazz and Jop write up this year (which was pretty great), Nick Sylvester's stuff was pretty much the highlight of their music coverage, at least in my opinion. I think that he needs to be punished, certainly, but I am I going to wish that the guy gets wiped out permanently by this? Nah.

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

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― account settings (account), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah letting a blogger write for you is one thing - to each his own, it takes all kinds, whatever - but to make one an editor = ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

you reap what you sow

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Nick off Pitchfork staff page.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:18 (twenty years ago)

The blogger thing doesn't throw me so much -- most of the stuff he wrote was pretty much blog sized anyway. Plus (love it or hate it or be ambivalent towards it) he did write fulll length criticism for P-fork which was far more in-depth than anything usually available on the Voice. I mean, unless you think Christgau writing a non-commital sentence about an album that dropped four months ago is fascinating. Seriously, I need to get on the tenure track. A MINUS.

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

yeah letting a blogger write for you is one thing ... but to make one an editor = ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?

What's wrong with bloggers? I mean, there are plenty of bloggers who would make (or already do make) perfectly good editors.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:22 (twenty years ago)

Very interesting.

It even made me break my silence here.

― Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Nick off Pitchfork staff page.

get one cntl-f search function, funny guy. he's still under contributing writers. or are you saying he was pulled off managing editors list?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/staff/

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

wait blount yr putting nick in albom class? seriously, dude's had enuf!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:32 (twenty years ago)

BTW, does this mean that Deerhoof isn't the best band in the world, or will they get to keep the title?

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:32 (twenty years ago)

yes, he was pulled off the editors list cuz I saw him there this morning. OH SNAP!
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― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:33 (twenty years ago)

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Spot the difference!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

now he's off the writers list! Soon he'll be deleted from all our memory files.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:38 (twenty years ago)

Who'll be deleted from our memory files?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

Who's Nick Sylvester? OH FUCK DOM BEAT ME

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:44 (twenty years ago)

herodotus >>>>>>>>>>>> liebling, mitchell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meltzer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>junod>>>>>>>>sylvester>>>>>albom>strauss

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:47 (twenty years ago)

No one is worse than albom, blount.

― My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:49 (twenty years ago)

seriously!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:50 (twenty years ago)

dude was an original sports reporter - that's gotta count for something!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:52 (twenty years ago)

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