as usual a piece critical of music critics by a non-music writer tends to reveal the author as a bad music writer
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
It would seem reasonable that Newsom would be considered among the greatest living musicians.
― hunangarage, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
There's maybe like 30% insight in there and 70% butthurt that not everyone likes my favorite singer who is obviously a genius.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
meant evident, said eminent, yes?
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
i think that piece is v funny and good except the last graf
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
you must not value your time highly
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link
i post here, don't I?
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link
but yeah, lol, at the bad men eating popcorn so loud she couldn't enjoy an advertisement
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link
it's kinda hard for me to criticize a piece from a female writer discussing the ways in which male writers talk about female artists, i mean i can't defend some of the ways male critics write abt newsom or a lot of other female musicians who have been dismissed or condescended to even in mere descriptions.
― nomar, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link
i didn't find the piece too terrible i guess idk. i think it goes beyond being annoyed that people don't like newsom.
― nomar, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
yeah, I mean she is right that the clichéd female-artist-to-female-artist comparisons border on dismissive/insulting, for example. But her piece was also kind of just bad, much like Joanna Newsom's "Have One On Me".
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link
xpost, yeah, i mean the piece is basically just pwning music writers, which I'm always 100% in favor of
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
remember devendra banhart?
― hunangarage, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
xpost, yeah, i mean the piece is basically just pwning music writers, which I'm always 100% in favor of― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you'd prefer "music journalists"?
srsly barf a million times @ endless thinkpieces parsing the critical reaction to album x
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
someone needs a nap
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
i mean i am too but this one uses really shitty reasoning to get there
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
I mean, also, it's hilarious that she's like going in on Taylor Swift and Beyonce being the only model for feminist musician that male writers get behind when A) Just 10 years ago, you would have been more likely to see critical acclaim for Joanna Newsom than Ciara and B) There was like 9 bazillion Carrie Brownstein interviews posted this week
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
lol at anybody who reads past this:
The mainstream press has remained leery of the multitalented harpist Joanna Newsom since her much-touted 2004 debut, despite consistent favorable reviews.
in what outlet are these reviews printed? in the...press, you say? I see, I see
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:39 (eight years ago) link
lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
The mainstream press has remained leery of the multitalented harpist Joanna Newsom in the many gushing reviews of literally everything she has released
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
in outlets are they touted?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
Mainstream Press is a great hip-hop group from Oakland, though.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:44 (eight years ago) link
Entire pieces have been written about the voices of Bob Dylan and Tom Waits, so American and vital and wise in their manly scratchiness, like unshaved bristle and whiskey and dirt. Man voice make music good.
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
i agree with her that sexism is a factor in the way music is reviewed.
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
but that seems sorta self evident and presenting it here as if it were a revelation is a tetch self serving in preservation of newsom as the greatest voice of her generation, why because i like her
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link
yeah this sucked as an experience of reading prose and is tendentious and bad as a description of newsom's appeal but . . . .
it's on point that many male journalists infantilize and condescend to women in pop/rock who are scarily talented
(see the critical history of kate bush, bjork for starters there)
I'm guessing this probably doesn't happen to, say, martha argerich or someone on that level
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
pretty much all music "opinion" writing these days is presenting totally obvious, self-evident things as "revelations" because social justice
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
and that is bad and awful
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link
the only way to enact real change is to eat up real estate with constant, condescending, redundant explanations of things that everyone already knows
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link
like how many articles can I read and share on social media in one day that reinforce the worldview of my peers and i
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
I wouldn't want the outcome to be "if you don't love newsom as much as I do, then you're a sexist piece of shit"
but you're saying maybe that is the arm-twisting politics-as-ethics logic here?
that's a bummer, if it's true
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
I haven't read the piece and only skim-read the conversation here but I already feel better about having been on-record as someone more than willing to make fun of both Bob Dylan and Joanna Newsom
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link
Man voice make ILM good.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
blown display name opp
― bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
Man troll gas beany jim-jam
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
this is one of my favorite voices ever. starts at 3:22 right after the witch is hanged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDxMnjRZT7M
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
where are you, Trella Hart! i could listen to that song all day long.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link
blaaack lucky hammerhead...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:41 (eight years ago) link
Mark Of The Witch written by two women, fyi...
"now i wonder...if anybody'd miss me if i died..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqq8vMt2I9E
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
not the same as her mark of the witch jam, but pretty cool and depressing.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:47 (eight years ago) link
this song is amazing though. luckily a family member posted it along with family photos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6q1w0RPhBU
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENJbKqS9ns
Here is PAMS' Swiszle package, Series 32 for WKLO. Trella Hart is the captivating lady with the amazing voice singing lead on many of the cuts. Trella's voice had a fascinating, (even sexy) "smokey" sort of quality. She was paired on many cuts with PAMS's answer to the Four Freshmen, here called the Good Timers.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
you've sold me scott
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 01:55 (eight years ago) link
this is her only spotify track and i diggithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg6cpbzJez4
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 01:57 (eight years ago) link
yeah the number of "if you don't like this / do like this, your politics are wrong" articles is really depressing but since the default mode of writing about music is now "this is how I felt as I listened," it's natural that this is what we'd get
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 02:23 (eight years ago) link
it's definitely what you get when blogging = journalism.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link
or "journalism".
― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 02:27 (eight years ago) link
i don't really know what you call the awl. awl-ful!
webblogzine or whatever.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 02:28 (eight years ago) link
what i found more striking was that i think i've read five profiles of newsom from this album cycle, all of them by men, and all of them identical (1. something about unicorns 2. her songs are complicated 3. she was in inherent vice)― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I spent €8 on Uncut to read a dreadful feature that went on about the 'constellation of birthmarks' (read: freckles) on her face, and hit all these other marks mentioned above.
― lamonti, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 12:07 (eight years ago) link