what next for Chris ott?

"siri - is tommy morrison still alive?"

no btw

I wouldn't be inspired too much by Schreiber! According to twitter.com/shallowrewards, this whole thing is going to be an incredible disaster!

so basically the past three hours of ilm has been a person saying "this event in someone's life that's representative of a much larger success is inspirational" and another responding "no that specific event is only inspirational if your goal is that specific event" three hours three of them

shit, better improve this thread quick, guys, qualx is unhappy with its quality

finally

i know you're trying to be mean but in all seriousness i expect more from an ott thread

xp It's not like it was Ishtar or something

I mean it's entertaining enough even if it is the weakest in the franchise

anybody arguing with croup here is either misreading or dead inside ffs

lol come on

alright as i can see how qualx could assume i'm just making some kind of philosophical argument that the sale of pitchfork to conde nast is only inspirational if your goal is exactly the same, i'll cop that i'm really saying that i can see how the sale would be uninspiring.

but if someone thinking its a bummer (or at the very least, actively not inspiring) to see the largest indie music culture coverage site being sold to a monolith overtly interested in cultivating the indiebro audience makes you say "hey the 90s are over, albini, get off your highhorse" all i can say is as the owner of a secondary degree in accounting i'm merely albini-sympathetic, not an active anti-capitalist. and selling your indie concern to a company that openly doesn't share your professed value system is in fact very 90s.

and in case happy days wants to go down this route again, i'm not saying the filthy lucre makes everything uninspirational, or that there's nothing cool about how ryan went from "i love 12 rods" to "i got 12 million" blah blah all that shit

da croup otm throughout this thread, not sure what the rest of y'all are reading. very easy imo to see how this could be both inspiring from one angle and a little depressing from another, or if depressing is too strong a word then I guess it is just easy to see how somebody could look at this whole thing and think "yea not for me"

also have to admit I think it is lame we are talking about this on the ott thread and not the p4k one for posterity tbh but also bc ott is a dick most of the time

alright as i can see how qualx could assume i'm just making some kind of philosophical argument that the sale of pitchfork to conde nast is only inspirational if your goal is exactly the same, i'll cop that i'm really saying that i can see how the sale would be uninspiring.

but if someone thinking its a bummer (or at the very least, actively not inspiring) to see the largest indie music culture coverage site being sold to a monolith overtly interested in cultivating the indiebro audience makes you say "hey the 90s are over, albini, get off your highhorse" all i can say is as the owner of a secondary degree in accounting i'm merely albini-sympathetic, not an active anti-capitalist. and selling your indie concern to a company that openly doesn't share your professed value system is in fact very 90s.

― da croupier, Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:29 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm an idealist millennial who hates money and i think you're just being -- i guess narrow-minded is really the best word. it's possible for two different things to be true at the same time. i don't follow this thread with an eagle eye but it doesn't look like whiney was specifically talking about capital? schreiber went from being an embarrassing twerp with a terrible website that appealed to a very niche audience and garnered hate from pretty much everyone else to a respected entrepreneur whose personal choices have made huge ripples in the music industry (not just indie!) it isn't really hard to see how someone might find that inspirational -- going from nobody loser to cultural mover -- while not caring at all about the capital. whiney used the "$15m paycheck" to represent something and you took it completely literally.

i don't like schreiber but he's reached a level that can only be described as "the total fantasy end-goal of any narcissistic music critic", and people having exceptional achievements can be inspirational even if they have no desire to keep on doing it, or if they sell it all out to conde nast.

i am also just really weirded out by people who think the conde nast sale represents the corporatization of pitchfork like have you visited it at any point over the past decade

i understand this thread is going very quickly but i didn't post and in case happy days wants to go down this route again, i'm not saying the filthy lucre makes everything uninspirational, or that there's nothing cool about how ryan went from "i love 12 rods" to "i got 12 million" blah blah all that shit for someone to tell me that i'm not open-minded enough to get how this could be inspiring to someone.

like noooo shit. starting small and getting big can be inspiring. not blowing my mind here.

i am also just really weirded out by people who think the conde nast sale represents the corporatization of pitchfork like have you visited it at any point over the past decade

― qualx, Saturday, October 17, 2015 10:01 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

you guys realize one could be nonplussed by the sale AND be aware that the site has been moving this direction for ages

i almost want to find a genuine brokenhearted indie fawn on twitter for you guys to engage with so you can have a debate with someone who won't keep pointing out you're making an ass out of u and me

lol double-checked the meaning of nonplussed and apparently it means both "confused" and "unperturbed". pretend i said uninspired.

i actually missed that post but it doesn't exactly gel with everything else you've been saying for the past 3-6 hours

this is getting into stupid semantics: maybe whiney shouldn't have said it "should" be inspiring but at least he singled out the general reason why he felt that way, you responded by zeroing in on the specific thing that he already clarified, and that's the state of this thread.

i'm just imagining a situation where someone calls the movie where james franco gets stuck in a rock inspirational and you respond "actually, it's only inspirational for people who want to cut their arms off"

that would be a weird stance to take, which is why i corrected the impression in a post with your name in it that you reposted

but no one is arguing that some people can find it uninspiring, and you spent half that post continuing to position it as "you are either a person who finds this inspiring or uninspiring and that choice says stuff about you", which is why i said that two things can be true at the same time and also this is a bunch of semantic bullshit. it is possible to find the sale of pitchfork to conde nast uninspiring and depressing or whatever and still be inspired by schreiber's bizarre life turning out the way it has or whatever. which is kind of there already in the monumental whiney g weingarten post that set all this off.

i've become the thing i've hated so let's just say whiney's into compartmentalization and you're not and be done with it

I dont recall saying being inspired by the sale says something about you - actively avoided casting aspersions. and Whiney specifically said it was inspiring to imagine getting to do nothing, so if the idea is that he was really saying it was the journey not the paycheck that was inspiring, I think you might have missed that.

It was chachi who took the "ahem the pitchfork story can clearly be inspiring" tack, earning a "FFS duh" before you even got here

and in case happy days wants to go down this route again, i'm not saying the filthy lucre makes everything uninspirational, or that there's nothing cool about how ryan went from "i love 12 rods" to "i got 12 million" blah blah all that shit

dude I made one fuckin post with some loose thoughts of very minor import to anybody in the world, just a response to what seemed to be a weirdly NO FUCKIN WAY IS THAT INSPIRING YOU GODDAMN CLOWNS thing you were mounting. just a personal "well, you know, there are are some ways in which that's kind of inspiring." in response, this multi-post ongoing jeremiad from you

like, I am usually the dude to whom people say "relax a little," but maybe relax just a tiny tiny bit?

Sorry when people claim I said something I didn't it gets my hackles up, trust I plan to avoid contradicting people on ilx in the future

For instance the "you goddamn clowns" tone came re: people pretending I was saying money is bad, not people saying it was inspiring

david geffen selling his stake in asylum records for millions in the 70s was certainly impressive, but it's inspirational only if your goal is to build something and then sell it for a large amount of money.

this is what you said; I think it's a false statement, thought I made my case for a different idea calmly and lucidly, since I wasn't mad at your claim, just disagreed. in response, you have been yelling a lot.

Tbf I can see why people might get defensive upon statements as simple as "selling your company is inspiring if you want to sell" - certainly leaves room for people to see extra words around it, but I can only point out the lack of them so many times.

it's the "only" that's the problem there, imo

Chachi if you look at my first response to you you'll see that I quoted the offending line of your post and repeated the previous post I made that makes clear why I'd find "croup why you saying money is bullshit" aggravating

it's inspirational only if your goal is to build something and then sell it for a large amount of money.

^^^

direct quote of a rather transparently false claim you made. in response to what I felt was a fairly mellow "well, no," you continue to be really snippy and weird ("I can only point out the lack of [other words] so many times")

Also "ffs...I'll repeat" is kinda the opposite of yelling

I am sorry if people were made defensive by my initial posts and yes I could have been nicer about clarifying

croup i'm sorry but we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, murder is wrong imo even if it is for "shits and giggles"

Lol you goddamn clown

yeah i was trying to find net work for brett gurewitz as another likely candidate for someone who got rich off of indie rock. dexter holland is worth $65 million fwiw but they jumped to the majors earlier than i remembered. liz phair is worth $3 million but who knows what the various pathways for that income stream are.

― balls, Saturday, October 17, 2015 5:21 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just as a library science like q, where are these numbers coming from?

http://www.slj.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Marc.jpg

Possibly bullshit google results.

sites like Celebrity Net Worth are total speculation and even the estimated worth of celebrities that Forbes publishes don't seem to be much better

only way to know for sure is to troll a person into bragging about their wealth. then knock it down 10%.

add back 10% for bennies, though

ott only makes $84,600?

he explicitly stated the bennies

he makes so much money that he needed to crowdfund a podcast, because podcasts are so expensive to produce

just the pod will run you 25k