Yall seriously have me adding Wynton albums to my Amazon cart. These are strange days.
That Herlin Riley guy is great.
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
I'm pretty tired of the idea that Wynton is synonymous with square & embarrassing. The jazz wars are over, he's made a ton of music, and a lot of it is good.
otm
― marcos, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link
1) I'm pretty tired of the idea that Wynton is synonymous with square & embarrassing.
I don't think anyone's saying that. His music never struck me as squarebarrassing, but his and Stanley Crouch's (ultimately failed) attempts to erase from history whole movements in the music is indeed something they should be profoundly embarrassed about.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
i was responding to this mostly:there's a part of me that nags 'you're gonna find this pretty embarrassing in a few years'. i LOVED wynton marsalis' blue interlude when i was a kid so i'm speaking from experience there.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
wynton's a great player who's made some excellent records! i think his status as the "authority" on all things jazz (as in the ken burns doc) is a little unfortunate, but you take that away, the dude's music is very much worthwhile. and really, i feel like a lot of that "authority" thing is more the way burns presented him rather than his own vibe. the interview on do the math from a few years back is great: http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/interview-with-wynton-marsalis-part-1.html
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
I hated the way he would talk about dudes that were either old or dead by time he was even born like he knew them in Ken Burn's Jazz thing....
"Man...now when Bird would come in the club, you just knew no one had that tone he had" blah blah blah "it was like this" *takes out trumpet and plays some riff*
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
haha i kind of loved that tbh
burns doc had a lot of problems obv but ultimately i really enjoyed it (though lol i think i only saw the first 5 parts, i don;t think i made it past bird)
― marcos, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:20 (eight years ago) link
Huh I'm really surprised by how much I'm enjoying this Christian Scott album. Never liked him before (and there's nothing about him that sounds like a New Orleans trumpet player) but this is really nice. It incorporates production/electronics really naturally and has a cool take on the two drummer thing (one of them, who I first saw play with Donald Harrison when he was like 12, is always on percussion & sample pads it appears).
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
yeah this thread is turning out some nice recs. Haven't checked out new jazz in some time. listened to the Christian Scott last night after reading brads review.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
ok i completely respect the ambitiousness of this record, but its boring af. the chord progressions are pretty standard jazz and nothing really stands out about the arrangements. it seems like a genre exercise and doesn't really have any of the *magic* of a later mingus, sanders or alice album. good effort though.
― chaki (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
Of the people not completely enamoured with this album, that is the most incisive post so far on this thread so far.
― xelab, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
I'll just say so far again...
― xelab, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
also it doesn't groove at all.
― chaki (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
Because he said "chord progressions" instead of being more general? Lol
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
"the most ambitious jazz album go arrive in ages,..." -Apple Music
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link
*to arrive
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
Sometimes people can be more succinct with less ego
― xelab, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
uh y'all were describing this as funk pls explain
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link
Just tried to listen to his version of Cherokee and had to turn it off tbh
I'm sure I'll like some of the stuff on here when I dig in more but blech
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link
ha i kinda liked "cherokee" but it might've been that it provided a little breather from all the heavier stuff.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link
That version of "Cherokee" worked better live than on record, but yeah, it's definitely weird and semi-out of place.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
bringing back that vocalese
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
Xpost - Brad I've been referring to the love show he's currently doing. It's a lot different from the album
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
Live show
Making a playlist of all the songs that don't feature Patrice Quinn. Nothing personal, I just think I've decided after a few semi-regular listens that the lead vox on this thing are serious vibe killers.
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
One thing I really like about this thread is that it has a lot of new jazz recs, which is something I've been out of the loop on.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link
That's what I said :) thread success.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, good call on the Ambrose Akinmusire.
― o. nate, Thursday, 8 October 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
I really like this Makaya McCraven but it's got really annoying fake crowd noise
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 October 2015 03:14 (eight years ago) link
Just bought the new Christian Scott after listening to a couple of tracks. Nice.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 8 October 2015 08:49 (eight years ago) link
if you like that, the Sons of Kemet album from a couple of years ago is also amazing: two drummers (including the bandleader from Polar Bear), clarinet, and tuba (playing basslines, basically).
Their new one is great.
― Andy K, Thursday, 8 October 2015 12:50 (eight years ago) link
Sons of Kemet have a new one?!
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 8 October 2015 12:55 (eight years ago) link
new video by sons of kemet :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPFRBTS39Vo
― mark e, Thursday, 8 October 2015 12:58 (eight years ago) link
Hot damn they do.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 8 October 2015 12:59 (eight years ago) link
Fucking love that first album. Will pedal home via HMV on the off chance they have it.
That track is awesome.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:05 (eight years ago) link
for folks who are interested in retro '70s-style prog-jazz from this year I recommend Escondido Sessions by the Brian Ellis Group: http://open.spotify.com/album/4bd3e1VbBFLGkPFOtLbiDk
― welltris (crüt), Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:18 (eight years ago) link
re cover art : was an eyebrow raising moment when i found out that the picture is kamasi standing in front of a graffiti/wall mural.i thought the art had been done specifically for the release.(or was it ?)
― mark e, Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:34 (eight years ago) link
― o. nate, Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cool! glad you like ambrose.
also appreciated 誤訳侮辱's thoughts on him upthread
― marcos, Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link
Davu Seru is well worth checking out everything he does in interesting tho he's def improv/free/spiritual hat
http://www.davuseru.com/
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:47 (eight years ago) link
well if you guys like that Sons of Kemet thing then you might like this (cool video though):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KsxTgYdQNM
― lil urbane (Jordan), Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:54 (eight years ago) link
was an eyebrow raising moment when i found out that the picture is kamasi standing in front of a graffiti/wall mural.whaaaat that's crazy (cool)
― niels, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
shadow photoshopped out or something I assume
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
spiritual hat too
― Haino Corrida (NickB), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link
This was cool but not really worth three hours of my life. Good playing, ehh compositions, the choir needed to go away. I feel let down.
― The Reverend, Friday, 9 October 2015 08:36 (eight years ago) link
Holy shit the new Sons of Kemet is great.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 12 October 2015 12:19 (eight years ago) link
Just saw them in Istanbul! Good show
― niels, Sunday, 18 October 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
I am enjoying this album; it is fantastic commuting music.
I wish the choir was mixed just a hair louder, and that a couple of the bigger voices in it blended a little more.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 19 October 2015 14:36 (eight years ago) link
A twelve minute song from this album appeared in the middle of my Spotify discovery playlist. It was good, but didn't particularly fit in there.
― MarkoP, Monday, 19 October 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I've been listening to this more lately (mostly because of this thread), and it's been growing on me -- and I've particularly enjoyed it while I'm out walking around. Still feels sort of exhausting, though.
― jaymc, Monday, 19 October 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link