macy gray syndrome
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
marcos otm
macy gray doesn't seem particularly embarassing really
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
Just the big hit, really.
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
whiney has mentioned this in other threads, but there is a very real trend among primarily white critics of raving over a black artist who is (in some way) an alternative to the mainstream, only to totally ignore that artist's later output and act embarrassed that anyone listened to it. Primary examples include Tracy Chapman, Terrence Trent D'Arby, Arrested Development, honestly any number of "alternative" rappers.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
found the post here, hard not to agree with it.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
Tracy Chapman, Terrence Trent D'Arby, Arrested Development, honestly any number of "alternative" rappers.
not saying this is inaccurate but maybe some examples from within the last 25 years would bolster yr case
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
feel like this even sort of happened to public enemy to an extent.
― nomar, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link
xp
Other artists mentioned in the thread I just linked: Tricky, Wyclef, late '90s backpacker stuff, Def Jux, grime. I'd probably include late De La Soul in there too.
It's not always exactly how everything works, but it was brought to mind by the sentiment that we may all find listening to Kamasi Washington embarrassing in a few years.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, October 6, 2015 12:21 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
poptimist syndrome
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― Wimmels, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
ilx syndrome aka Big N Rich
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
otm
can't front I like the new Janet though
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
― nomar, Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:58 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't know I think Public Enemy's musical quality, critical acclaim and popular appeal declined at about the same rate (if anything I think they get a break from some critics like I actually read some decent stuff on the new one which is hideous)
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link
feel like T-Trent D'arby has a lot of cult defenders of his later stuff but that might be an ILX thing?
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
I agree on those points abt PE but I think there's some of that syndrome whiney described as well.
― nomar, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
marcos truly otm upthread.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
wynton marsalis has multiple albums better than this kamasi album i haven't listened to, probably
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
to be clear I don't have a problem with people making value judgments based on record covers (I do it all the time!) I just rankled at the notion/projection/inference that people were buying the album because they were shallow people in search of spiritual hats\
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
insightful
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
I've listened to a half dozen or so of Wynton's albums, including that 7CD Live at the Village Vanguard box from the mid '90s. The only ones that really made a strong impression on me were some from the mid '80s like Black Codes from the Underground and J Mood. He's a really talented player, but one of the most faceless composers I've ever come across - I don't think he's got a single memorable tune.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
his live version of 'knozz moe king' on the village vanguard set is pretty undeniable imo
but yeah never was about his compositions per se, but as a soloist i think he transcended his early miles influences pretty readily
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
black codes from the underground is a great record
― marcos, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
hey i feel like wynton put out something like this ("the epic") maybe 15 years ago? a sprawling 3 disc set, lots of vocals, some orchestration, lots of political overtones
― marcos, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
"Blood on the Fields"
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
Oh come on how many people bought/listened to this thing NCAA of the cover????
― brimstead, Monday, October 5, 2015 5:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol NCAA equals because
this is an especially hilarious accusation because album cover art is like at least 1/3 of the appeal of Blue Note
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, October 6, 2015 12:24 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cosmic slop when is our "Greatest Jazz Albums D-40 Hasn't Bothered to Listen To" poll?
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
feel like this thread is now the They Live sunglasses fight scene except m@tt et al is Rowdy Roddy, D-40 is Keith David, and the sunglasses are a spiritual hat
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
xxxp to d40 yes! blood on the fields https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_on_the_Fields
"Blood on the Fields is a three-and-a-half-hour jazz oratorio, by Wynton Marsalis. It was commissioned by Lincoln Center and concerns a couple moving from slavery to freedom."
― marcos, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
wynton marsalis has multiple albums better than this kamasi album i haven't listened to, probably― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:24 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:24 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hard not to admire the bold pivot from "what, i'm just talking about the album's reception and what's been written about it!" to "i am indeed evaluating the music on this album that I will never listen to."
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
so its ok to be totally dismissive of wynton marsalis but not kamasi washington. got it
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
i don't remember dismissing wynton marsalis but whatever
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
fwiw I'm not familiar sufficiently familiar with Marsalis's work so I can't even guess how it compares to Washington's.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
maybe you should listen to it!!
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
poll of wynton marsalis albums intheblanks hasn't heard
wynton's hat game is just a little offhttp://www.jazzhouse.org/jpg/franckling/5Wynton.jpg
― tylerw, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
lol not being sufficiently familiar with someone's work = dismissing it, ok dude
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
deej you realize you are actually the one doing what you are accusing intheblanks of doing or have you gone full hongro?
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOa5-ZN2tWg
i love the transition from wynton's furious double time solo to eric reed's cool, relaxed one
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:51 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thats the point
i'm listening to blood on the fields by wynton right now, i guess i don't see many points of comparison to kamasi. reminds me of the more complex later ellington stuff if anythingpretty good deej you should listen to this!
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
McCraven album is amazing
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
yeah blood on the fields is more of a concert piece kind of thing -- jazz-classical. actually a point of comparison for kamasi might be that christian mcbride live at tonic thing from a little while back, at least in terms of sprawl.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link
cosmic slop when is our "Greatest Jazz Albums D-40 Hasn't Bothered to Listen To" poll?― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown),
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown),
Maybe that was the poll from a few years ago?
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
I like Black Codes From the Underground and Wynton forms an indelible piece of my childhood because of his PBS special introducing children to jazz and I've never gotten that into spiritual hat jazz and I still want to listen to this because of the awesome cover art.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 23:03 (eight years ago) link
deej is a real idiot in this thread
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link
I remember that show...was it Marsalis On Music? I thought parts of it were incredibly informative and effective for the audience he was aiming at. But one bit that stood out for me was when he had his wind players play a tone cluster. Wynton winced (wynced?) and waved them off in mock pain going, "No! No! Arg! Terrible! Stop! That's enough!"
I thought, yep, DISSONANCE = BAD. THANKS, WYNTON, NOW WE KNOW. HEY GANG, LET'S WRITE OFF WHOLE MAJOR MOVEMENTS IN THE MUSIC! HOORAY!
That said, he's an unbelievably skilled and consistent player but, like Quincy Jones said, "no trumpeter in America wants to play like Wynton in his style. Every great trumpeter - Louis Armstrong, Roy Eldridge, Miles - borrows from someone before him and adds his own thing. But nobody wants to play like Wynton."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link
Like, honestly, whether this dude is ONE GOOD JAZZ is really besides the point.
Until, like, 2013, fusion jazz was regarded as square, wack, lame beardo shit, and Kamasi and Thundercat made it SUPER COOL AND ACCESSIBLE enough to HELP CHANGE THE SOUND of Flying Lotus (who, like him or not, is making some of the most important and influential electronic music today) and Kendrick Lamar (who, like him or not, is making some of the most important and influential hip-hop music today). Kamasi and his crew, through sheer force of their abilities, have literally changed the sound of popular music in a small but perceptible way. The fact that this jazz record has the look and feel of contemporary records like, say, D'Angelo or Gonjasufi or the Roots or Shabazz Palaces or whatever only helps.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 00:03 (eight years ago) link
― chaki (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 00:04 (eight years ago) link
I never really gave it much thought, but yeah, he really is kind of an aesthetic dead end.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link
square, wack, lame beardo shit
― the late great, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
wow at that quincy quote
― balls, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link