it just wasn't made for these times
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 September 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link
i mean that was from schreiber himself not some dumb college freelancer
Ryan realized early on (thankfully) that he was no writer.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
Pitchfork succeeding despite its founder's biases and deficiencies as a writer is less surprising if you've ever read the work of Jann s wenner or bob guccione jr
― da croupier, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
I almost wish ryan was prone to more "I'm still here" goddess-in-the-doorway moments
― da croupier, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/birdnestsoup/isley.jpg
individual scores for all the individual isleys reissues makes them look like crazies imo
― feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 11 September 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/goddess-in-the-doorway-20011206
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 September 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
when was the last schreiber review? Last thing that comes to mind was him scoffing at cleavage and bad photoshop in a worst covers of the year list and that coulda been in the 00s
― da croupier, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
tbf, Wenner was a decent interviewer early on (by "early" I mean no later than 1968). Was always a shitty critic, though.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 11 September 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
That wasn't really Wenner. A ghostwriter wrote it and Wenner signed off on it.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
def can't rep for schreiber as an interviewer as all i remember is him making an affirmative action joke at interpol in like 02
― da croupier, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
his last album review appears to be a best new music for a grizzly bear EP in 2007. That shows amazing restraint, really. he's done some news blurbs since, though
So A$AP Rocky just posted a video for his Buddy Holly-referencing new track "Purple Kisses", which might actually qualify as SFW if you happen to work in a porn studio. (Or, at Pitchfork.)
that last bit is pretty lol if you remember how hot-n-heavy fork reviews could get in the early days
― da croupier, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
that's from 2012 - which is when he did his last track review and only video interview, as well. (fyi this is all on his contributor page, i'm not deep google-digging here).
― da croupier, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
xp the isley brothers thing is so wtf
― niels, Saturday, 12 September 2015 08:28 (eight years ago) link
the average of the individual Isleys scores is 7.4, not 8.5. the median is even a bit lower. why not just a score for the whole package when there's clearly no correlation?
― Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Saturday, 12 September 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
I like the review though.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 September 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
me too. always happy to see Erlewine show up in unexpected places.
― Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Saturday, 12 September 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
my favorite isleys record changes every few months so I found the scoring interesting
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 September 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
Morrissey, meanwhile, isn’t overly fussed with convincing the non-believers. When the lights dim, he marches up to the microphone and begins an acapella rendition of Willie Nelson’s "Always on My Mind".
*sigh* if we're just going to throw accuracy out the window why not The Pet Shop Boys "Always on My Mind"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
Pitchfork is never gonna acknowledge professional songwriters when talking about country. Though to give them some credit, if you're gonna pick a version to cite, that's the one - Elvis's only hit #20 in the US, but Nelson's hit #5.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
Elvis's was the bigger hit in Britain though (Elvis #9, Willie #49). PSB version went to number one.
― Ray Chard (NickB), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
Apparently it was a single in the UK but a B-side over here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always_on_My_Mind#Elvis_Presley_version
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
Nelson's version is neither the original - since he didn't write it - nor is it the first. Calling it his song is weird.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
I mean sure it's the most famous but why is that relevant
I totally agree, btw. I hate when people (OK, marketing people) claim that an artist has recorded an album of "Elvis covers" or "Frank Sinatra covers." Elvis never wrote a song in his life. Frank Sinatra, either.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
especially in reference to Morrissey - who I would suspect was more familiar with other versions more popular in the UK than Nelson's
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
Morrissey's probably really into the Brenda Lee version or something
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
elvis was on the cover of shoplifters btw
― Ray Chard (NickB), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link
Dropping obscure terminology and hyperlinking to its wikipedia page.
― lamonti, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
people should never write about music
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/910-the-masterful-mockery-of-father-john-mistys-1989-jibes/
― jamiesummerz, Thursday, 24 September 2015 10:54 (eight years ago) link
Highlights from that column include:
Tillman’s interpretations were less homage than tongue-in-cheek criticism, serving up wry commentary about the imbalance between surface and substance in endeavors like Adams’..."My reinterpretation of the classic Ryan Adams album 1989," he wrote, his tone practically dripping with sarcasm, the word "classic" a jesting arrow aimed at Adams...Under Tillman’s thumb, "Welcome to New York" became a palimpsest, barely recognizable as the original Swift song save for the lyrics, thanks to his and his band’s uncanny ability to play it in the style of the Velvet Underground...Leave it to Tillman, then, to one up Adams’ attempt to mine the musical past by showing off his killer Lou Reed impression. It’s a Shakespearean move à la "I do bite my thumb, sir," though intended more for comedic effect than dramatic...Whether listeners interpret Tillman’s "Blank Space" and "Welcome to New York" as mean-spirited or comical depends upon the ear, but they are deeper reimaginings of what it means to perform a cover, and what that cover can actually say within the greater cultural melee. It’s a reminder that not all that glitters is gold.
"My reinterpretation of the classic Ryan Adams album 1989," he wrote, his tone practically dripping with sarcasm, the word "classic" a jesting arrow aimed at Adams...
Under Tillman’s thumb, "Welcome to New York" became a palimpsest, barely recognizable as the original Swift song save for the lyrics, thanks to his and his band’s uncanny ability to play it in the style of the Velvet Underground...
Leave it to Tillman, then, to one up Adams’ attempt to mine the musical past by showing off his killer Lou Reed impression. It’s a Shakespearean move à la "I do bite my thumb, sir," though intended more for comedic effect than dramatic...
Whether listeners interpret Tillman’s "Blank Space" and "Welcome to New York" as mean-spirited or comical depends upon the ear, but they are deeper reimaginings of what it means to perform a cover, and what that cover can actually say within the greater cultural melee. It’s a reminder that not all that glitters is gold.
Crazy stuff. Anyway, is this Tillman a bit of an idiot too?
― niels, Thursday, 24 September 2015 11:28 (eight years ago) link
The headline should probably be included too, if highlights be polled... "masterful mockery", v good
Or maybe the whole piece is meant to ridicule Tillman by mimicking his self important tone?
― niels, Thursday, 24 September 2015 11:31 (eight years ago) link
It’s a reminder that not all that glitters is gold.
why didn't I think of this?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2015 12:00 (eight years ago) link
The FJM dream post itself has to be up there w the most hackneyed cliched indie rock writings of all time. Anything responding to or taking that seriously is doomed to be poisoned tripe.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 September 2015 12:34 (eight years ago) link
it's up there w worst music writing of all time. It makes Amanda Palmer seem restrained, unpretentious, and selfless by comparison.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 September 2015 12:44 (eight years ago) link
You haven't got a great ear for humour have you?
― impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link
some incredible point-missing going on here
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link
I mean yeah that piece is p DO YOU SEE but apparently some people actually *don't* see so idk
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
Are you guys saying he is performance arting the whole thing and it's one of those jokes you get only if you start w the premise that it is a joke?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
Like that guy who stole his mom's car bc Anita Sarkeesian is trying to kill him? Po-mo "I don't really mean any of this I'm just putting on an act aren't I clever?" stuff?
No I don't care for that kind of 'humor'.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
I don't think "Aren't I clever" is an inherently funny premise.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
hmmm this guy seems like an indie douche but comparing him to a dangerous stalker is maybe a bridge too far
― some dude, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
the Father John Misty thing is v clearly and explicitly a performance of a persona for comedic purposes, idk how anyone could miss this it is really heavily foregrounded
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
... and (sometimes) it's deep too! like the best comedy
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
Okay, so let me try and explain the joke:It would be hilarious if some pretentious indie/roots musician tried to ridicule Ryan Adams' take on 1989 by issuing non-sequitur covers of two songs done in the style of Velvet Underground chosen as cliché counter-culture signifier, so Father John Misty is pretending to do so?
― niels, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
I had not gotten that, thought dude was just an idiot.I guess it is kind of funny.And then the Pitchfork piece pretends to go along with it, mocking an what an earnest response could have sounded like if written by a very bad music crit?
― niels, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
pretentious indie/roots musician
this is a strange characterization of the two FJM records imo
so Father John Misty is pretending to do so?
he really did record and post those covers afaict, so idk why you would say he "pretended" to do so
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
No no, what I meant was that Tillman is pretending to be a person, Father John Misty, that would do something like that?
― niels, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
this exercise does not come from the sincerity part of the FJM catalog (which definitely exists, just not here). strictly the performative-for-effect arsty d-bag part
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
it's pretty confusing imo
also didn't mean to diss the albums at all fwiw have not listened to them proper
― niels, Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link