Can we agree it's a better song than 'straight outta compton' or at least the two gnr singles?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
not really - it's a novelty cover prob more worthy of being in a Best Videos Of The 80s countdown
i do like that tyler made the chorus less shrill
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
now if they'd replaced straight outta compton and one of the gnr hits with "king of rock" and "rag doll" i'd give that a thumbs up
Yeah, no. No agreement there. xps
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
But you could make the argument that rap-rock crossovers are still a thing and esp remix songs feat. guest stars also a huge thing. In a lot of ways it was ahead of its time.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
Like how many pop songs nowadays have a rap guest verse? Pretty much all of those are indebted to "Walk This Way".
walk this way doesn't have a guest rap verse, it's two rap guys covering aerosmith
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
how many rap acts straight-up do rock covers now? if anything it's very uninfluential
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36hLtWglrhM
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
seriously name five songs where rappers and stars unite to...do the old song word-for-word with some scratching
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
Name five of any hit songs that were covered word for word. It's kind of a thing that is not done much anymore.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link
The Roots? Mos Def?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
those aren't songs or even collaborations, those are the names of acts with question marks next to them
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
Ok:
the roots - seed 2.0 which covers cody chesnutt
And Mos def has a live band nowadays and they cover hendrix i think.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
seed 2.0 is a word for word cover?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
Not sure why "Walk This Way" needs to have a modern rock hit covered word for word by rap star (and word for word only, no samples, no remixes, etc) to be influential. It seems like a needlessly specific criteria.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
well that's a matter of perspective - it's treated as "highly influential" but actually the "influence" isn't so much the song but the music video - way more people have done "YOU? ME? TOGETHER? WOW!" than actually ape the track
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
and wtf a breakthrough in mtv gimmickry has to do with Best Songs Of the 80s i dunno
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Yes it is, all the cody chesnutt chorus are reprised from his other one minute song. At least that's what I remember.
At any rate you're missing the point it wasn't influential because it prompted hiphop artists to do rock covers but because it made them aware of the versatility of hip hop and how it could reach to out to other genres outside the then-limited hip hop culture.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link
wtf gimmickry is probably bigger than ever.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
moka if we were taking "chorus is interpolated from original song" to mean "word-for-word cover of that song" we'd have a lot more examples
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
Have you even heard the cody chesnutt song? The same three chorus on the Roots song is all there is. Word for word.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link
And yet again: "walk this way" influence wasn't that it prompted hiphop artists to do rock covers I don't understand where you're getting that from.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
if you're trying to argue that "walk this way" was A Big Deal, sure fine great, no debate, I said it probably belongs in a Best Videos Of The 80s list just for Tyler busting through the wall and Run-DMC not having it. I'm just pointing out that the cultural influence really outshines its musical influence (there are plenty of other 80s def jam songs that have been more blatantly jacked aesthetically) and that this is a list of Best Songs not Most Important Moments Of The 80s
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
opening lyrics to "the seed" by cody chestnutt
I don't ask, for much these daysAnd I don't sit, and whine, if I don't get my wayI only wanna fertilize another behind my lover's backI sit and watch it grow standin' where I'm atFertilize another behind my lover's backAnd I'm keepin' my secrets mineI push my seed in her bush for lifeIts gonna work because I'm pushin' it rightIf Mary drops my baby girl tonightI would name her Rock-N-Roll
opening lyrics to "the seed 2.0" by the roots:
Knocked up 9 months agoAnd what she finna have? She don't knowShe want neo-soul, this hip-hop is oldShe don't want no Rock n' RollShe want platinum or ice or goldShe want a whole lot of something to foldIf you a obstacle she just drop you coldCause one monkey don't stop the showLittle Mary is badIn these streets she done ranEver since when the heat beganI told the girl: "look hereCalm down, I'mma hold your handTo enable you to peep the planCause you is quick to learnAnd we can make money to burnIf you allow me to lay this game"I don't ask for much but enough room to spread my wingsAnd the world finna know my name
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
The influence of walk this way was that it set a pop precedent to incorporate elements from rock or to do crossovers to other genres and every "pop song feat. Hiphop act" owes a little to run dmc even if they're not aware of it. Of course, if they didn't do it first someone else might have done it eventually is true but that can be said about everything under the sun.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
It wasnt even the first time rap + [insert other genre] was used as a formula for a hit tho.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
Such as....?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
It was the first big hit that did it, though, and that's what matters when talking about influence. You think all the acts of the 80s that followed suit were thinking about the underground song that made it first or the big hit that they heard last summer?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
Rockit, Planet Rock...
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
it's true, the fat boys were probably thinking about "walk this way" when they did "the twist" and "wipeout". i don't think anyone would deny that.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
I guess if you want to say Kraftwerk is a rock band, and in the same genre as Aerosmith, you would technically be right. Technically.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
This is an argument for "I Feel For You", not "Walk This Way".
― drown zoowap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
seriously! this song means zip when it comes to "hey let's have somebody rap after the second chorus"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
Ok whatever you stubborn son of a blunt you're right Walk this Way was in no way influential to anything. You win.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
don't be a baby
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
Whatever kraftwerk were, they were not a rap act. Neither was herbie hancock. Or chic for that matter.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link
But all those counter examples are dance music meeting dance music. The genres already kind of shared common reference points, sounds, beats, etc. As far as predicting weird mashup culture and genre hybrids "Walk This Way" is a more extreme example.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link
Hip hop was founded on sampling. They were snatching from disco and funk way before 'walk this way' but were the other genres using hip hop raps as guest verses before?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
THEY DIDNT DO THAT ON WALK THIS WAY
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link
If anything, Walk This Way was a little late to the game when rap and rock were being mixed. Run-DMC themselves had already done King of Rock and the Beasties beat it by a year with She's On It. It probably could've been any artist and any song, but Rubin wanted to do Walk This Way. That's why I'm saying there was far more benefit in it for Aerosmith than for Run-DMC.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link
I mean, the point wasn't that hiphop borrowed from other genres, it was based around it! The point is that due to that song everyone noticed hip hop's crossover potential and started mixing it outside its comfort zone and subculture.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link
Walk This Way is a straight cover of "Walk This Way" with NO RAPS that weren't on the original track. they'd done it live before and rick rubin was like "hey what if we got steven tyler and joe perry to do it along with you". Which led to a video where rock and rap met on stage and everyone went COOL. and yes, that was influential. nobody would deny that.
But it has no bearing on "hey put a guest rap verse on the track instead of a solo" it ARGUABLY has some bearing on "hey have the original artist redo their chorus" though its pretty atypical and uninfluential in terms of having no original verses around it.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
Everyone pretty otm. I don't think I've ever considered "Walk This Way" more than I have this morning, and I'm realizing I don't really like it that much anyways. Still think it's influential even if it's a bit of a sellout or cash in (perhaps influential BECAUSE of this).
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
Run-DMC themselves had already done King of Rock and the Beasties beat it by a year with She's On It.
^^^
these just weren't huge hits, and they didn't involve reviving an ailing rock band's career
croup otherwise otm
― famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
why is someone else's statement used against my otm-ness, that's bullshit
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
the guest raps really added something to "Walk This Way," kind of makes you wonder why Aerosmith didn't do that sort of thing in the original
― welltris (crüt), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
In 1975, they could've gotten Gil Scott Heron on that shit.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
lol sorry croup didn't mean to imply that those points ran counter to each other
― famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
I just noticed you're posting as Shakey Mo. Goin' RETRO!
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link