Indie Guilt: C/D

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Just like freakin' Pandora . . .

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Still, he has a point...

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

(desperately tries to stuff it back in)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

well, yeah, gygax! is right -- some people on ILM are like reformed smokers, the bright light of zealotry shining in their feral eyes as the denounce cigarettes while secretly yearning to light up.

"I really do want to like what everyone else likes! I want to be Everyman!"

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

someone on this board has a matador sticker on their fridge which they have tried to peel off! they shall remain nameless...

FOR NOW!

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

but i cannot be guaranteed to keep my silence

FOREVER

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

yes we're all like reformed smokers to your bowl of stinky disgusting ash jack

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i wonder who it could be?!

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

someone who will remain nameless is trying to quit smoking...

:-D

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

'studies show that thanks to stringent anti-smoking legislation across the US, indie is now the leading cause of cancer'

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:34 (twenty-three years ago)

the main problem with jack's analogy is of course that no one ever had a hole cut in their throat for listening to slint

oh and that hard as it is for some smokers to admit, some people have never had the urge.

i still smoke occasionally, mostly when out with friends. this IS olympia after all

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:40 (twenty-three years ago)

not me, gygax! ;) (we know how well that went last year after the weapons of mass of destruction were almost set off)

Isn't peer pressure like a trachiotomy?

(also, jess, i am sympathetic about where you live -- i know i could never set up my tent there).

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

also, for the record, i still don't believe in indie as a musical genre.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

it's really not so bad. like most places, i worry about the rednecks more than the kids with their pants cuffed up to their nuts and ill-fitting sweatervests.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha ha, well i've had my fill of rednecks for a life time too seeing as where i am from and my family. Olympia is two flavors that taste great together. Had a friend that lived there and worked in a small public library in a small dead timber town outside of Olympia, so I knoweth whateth you speaketh of.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

okay i was wrong... i thought with age came wisdom? :-D

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha ha, when was that ever true, gygax!?

wanna come over and listen to bright eyes, cursive and rilo kiley? can you bring over your good life records?

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

beware the owls of g(o)(o)gle...

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:12 (twenty-three years ago)

― Wintermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

question: damm now i'm confused, whats the difference betwien "Alternative", "Underground" and "Indie". i'v read somewhere that "Indie = british definition of Alternative" Like Weezer = "Alternative" and Blur = "Indie", though Non of them is "Underground". the definitions point to the same spot of "Artistic Freedom" but the geners somehow point to a totaly different directions which a lot of them don't express "Artistic Freedom" in any way.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean is KrautRock "Underground"? it certainly wasn't mainstream but is "Underground" a gener anyway? Krautrock is mostly "Prog/Art/Avant-Garde" wich was underground at that time.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

no one ever had a hole cut in their throat for listening to slint

yet

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever happened to that Missy Elliot anyway?

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

She got like totally dissed on South Park, man

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

speaking of fleeting affectations

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Almost every sensitive rock band gets the "Indie" tag. whats "Independant" or "Arty" about that? hehe.

Nate: not that i'm a big fan of the show but, is there realy an episode featuring Missy??

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

indie should only be used in reference to distribution. indie = santa. it shouldn't exist as a genre. it maybe did at one point though. the legend of a kind thing went too far.

alternative = new wave. solely a marketing word used to get the records to the demographic. did anyone use the word alternative as a music genre before '90 or so?

underground is similar to indie. it's a state of availability, not style.

indie guilt is dumb... that's like feeling embarassed that you used to believe in santa claus. it's all about the giving. did you stop giving gifts or doing nice things for people during the holidays after the santa thing floated away? does it still rock? well then, there you go!

scarcity may create value... but not real value. only 500 copies of poo won't make poo any more special. likewise, 5 million copies of poo sounds more like a regional sewage system.
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Sort of. The (mostly shitty) season premiere had a bit on a spaceship where some alien attempted to address the kids but needed to assume an unthreatening form to make communication easier (see "Contact"). Missy was one of the forms the kids objected to, as were Don King and Santa Claus and a few others. Finally they all agreed on Cartman's choice: a taco that craps ice cream.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree with almost everything you said msp, except for the term "underground", which sets up more of an oppositional dichotomy with implications of "being revolutionary" or "forced" underground etc -- none of which is necessarily true just because a band or a critic may use the term.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Nate: I was turned to the show by a friend who was a big fan. i was a realy big fan too when it came here but later got turned off by the later horrible writing. Matt Stone and Trey Parker, they can't write worth a shit! 'Thats My Bush' is probably the worst sitcom Evah, which says alot. having said that, i still watch south-park sometimes out of friday midnight boredom.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, i think "Underground" is used to describe ideology rather then a gener of sound(VU,Sex Pistols,NWA,Minutemen,Public Enemy). Its totaly different from "Indie" wich is faulsly used to describe a gener of sound.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

jess this is all your fault

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i blame hstencil

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Indie == 60s pop played in an off-key by ex-punkers disguised as either Sonic Youth or ABBA.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...

haha

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I miss this thread. I wish it was started every day.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i have indie guilt for the same reasons i have white middle class male guilt.

it's all my parents fault.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I miss this thread. I wish it was started every day.

You mean it isn't?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, simpler times.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

haha fiddo haha

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

now that Indie Rock is made with Splenda and Olestra, it's totally guilt-free.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

indie will come again, the sinners shall be punished, the faithful shall be er....still miserable.

― Moses (Ronan), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry gygax, I was not at all sober when I revived this.

...sorry gygax...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

This is officially the stupidest ILM thread ever. "Indie guilt"?? WHAT the FUCK???

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, ethan's Pepsi Guilt accusation still makes me larf

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread with the names and dates taken out and auto-summarized to 100 words:

apologetic about liking Indie music...? thread.

apologetic about liking Indie music...? thread.
haha your neighbour is indie!!

I like indie. Of, relating to, or being an indie: an album of indie rock; an indie film company.

cure for indie guilt:
So what's indie, then?

Hair Metal doesn't count= indie Pop

INDIE GUILT

alan = indie
-- indie hiphop. Today's pop is tomorrow's indie. not indie girls though. How indie is that?
WALLOW IN YOUR INDIE-NESS! PERPETRATE INDIE-SENT EXPOSURE!
the dandy warhols are indie?
How indie is that?!?
indie = santa. underground is similar to indie. "Indie guilt"??

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

yes.

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 27 February 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Three years is a long time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 27 February 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Golden Age Is When You Were 12*"

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 27 February 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

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