TOM MOULTON — A Tom Moulton Mix

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Heh, that Deep Disco Culture comp should be arriving in my Dusty Groove order any day now. Glad to hear it's as great as it looked.

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:52 (twenty years ago)

The only thing I'm sad about is I *LOVE* the vocal on "So Much For Love" but don't have a good rip of the Tom Moulton vocal, so I wish they hadn't put the instrumental on

― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:53 (twenty years ago)

this is (i guess) as good a thread as any to bump, cos i just got this in the mail earlier in the week and it's terrific.

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/z/zzspiritofphiladelp_2_102b.jpg

was familiar with a few tracks already, but there's are many ace tracks on here that are completely new to me. Def worth picking up for the Vince Montana & The Philly Sound Orchestra "That's What Love Does" track alone. What a great, great moment in time.

― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

"Weird, I had a similar *devastated by music* moment in the car last week listening to Patrice Rushen's "Haven't You Heard" from the Levan "paradise" dbl CD. I had recently heard a gospel cover of "Haven't You Heard" that converts the "I've been looking for you" into an address to Jesus, and it was so bizarre-yet-comforting to return to the sexual and secular original and have it sound 10 million times better . . ."

Ha ha. This is really the best song ever.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:16 (twenty years ago)

I, too, got blindsided by a track on that Larry Levan comp that I never particularly loved before: Chaka Khan's "Clouds." So effing gorgeous! I've been listening to that set for the last couple months pretty much constantly. And I just bought the Tom Moulton set two days ago, so that'll add to the party...

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 28 May 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

been listening to this all week (i've had it for months and months and never really got the chance to dive into it) ...

can i just say that this

a) rules

b) sounds like capital-D-disco, unlike lots of the other disco comps making the rounds (dimitri, muro, joey negro, deep disco culture, etc) which in a certain way makes it even more tremendously awesome, because here's a comp that cleaves straight to all of the disco cliches and still makes it sound like the best thing ever, as opposed to "did ya know disco also means dubby reggae and banjo solos??" vibe of lots of the other comps

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

otm

i should listen to this more

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I've been listening to this a lot lately. Thats a good summation of its sound I think (vahid). Pfork's review of this came out this week for some reason, and I was a little disturbed by how vague the writer was about Moulton's actual contributions, attributing him much more capital I "Influence" than he deserves and as a result doing a disservice to exactly what it was he DID do (compare with Matos' excellent city paper review)

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

i love the bit in the liner notes where he tells grace jones he doesn't want her to sound like "the black bela lugosi".

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Or perhaps its not so much 'more' influence as a misplaced influence - "But as Moulton's mixes got progressively more epic, he ably introduced elements that would influence everything from electro-pop to Detroit techno. Witness Orlando Riva Sound's "Moonboots": subterranean bubbles and pulsations, wiry synths, and fulminating guitar shimmers."

Weren't most of those elements introduced into that particular song by Anthony Monn?

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder sometimes when people are reviewing this sort of thing if they actually a/b them

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

matos and i were actually talking about this comp yesterday, prompted by the pfork review, and i realized i still haven't heard it! (it's so goddamn expensive here.) on the other hand, i played both discs of the levan comp twice today.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

"actually a/b them" = you mean listen to the originals, right???

judging by how very, very little people usually have to say about what levan or moulton or krivit or whoever have actually done to the tracks, i would guess "no"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.citypaper.com/music/story.asp?id=11869
...actually does

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

but hell, even "love saves the day" or "last night a dj saved my life" or whatever have very, very little to say about production technique.

we always hear about mancuso's koetsu cartridges and klipsch speakers and whatnot, without ever hearing about what exactly this all means except a big price tag and "oh it sounded good"

it takes one sort of person to have a working knowledge of 70s production techniques (i imagine dudes like francois k have already forgotten what they were doing, studio kinda cloudy and all that) and another sort of person to want to write rockcrit, and i imagine there's not very much overlap (phil s comes to mind, though)

xpost nice, matos

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

it also calls to mind an unnamed ilxors comment another thread where he says something like "so i've been playing around w/ fruity loops and logic a bit and it strikes me how elementary in construction a lot of this is" LOL call let us know when you get your record deal, dude.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

I seem to remember Turn the Beat Around having a fair amount of production discussion in it, at least when it comes to Tom Moulton.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

i still have to check that one out ... didn't peter shapiro do some liner notes for nuphonic / bbe??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

no, that was tim lawrence...

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Pitchfork: Eddie Kendricks' "Keep on Truckin'" establishes Moulton's modus operandi: blaring horns, strutting bass, frothing doo-wop, and cooing voices lined with synthesized silk.

1. "frothing doo-wop"? this is what we call background vocals now?
2. wouldn't the cooing voices be part of the (cough) "frothing doo-wop"?
3. there are no synthesizers on "Keep on Truckin'"

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

list of parts of this album

1. "more more more" doesn't turn into the isley-brothers-esque anti-war soul-folk jam that the first thirty seconds promises

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

at least pitchfork is trying.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

i swear, whenever the song starts i expect harry chapin to start singing (did harry chapin ever go disco??)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

ah, that should've been "list of disappointing parts"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

we used to be pissed that pitchfork wasn't ILM

now that it is, we're pissed they're not good enough at it.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

i found a bunch of old drum and bass reviews at the end of briehan's justice review today. they were weird.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

"hears to the future" was one of the worst EPs i've ever heard.

paul cooper ... well, shouts for being the first brave soul to take the electronica beat on pitchfork (schreiber excepted, ha) but sometimes i wondered what planet he was from.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

(planet 4 years behind the curve, basically)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

haha I know Pitchfork is trying. still, hearing synths on a song that has none is reaching a bit.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think Moulton was mostly about the tape edit and subtle extentions/re-structuring of songs. A lot of those classic "mixes" of his were done just as some guy with a tape of the song, not the original unmixed multitracks, so there's only so much you can do. I've never a/b'd tracks though. Gibbons stuff is much more obviously extremely remixed, to the point of pissing off the original arrangers/producers.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

very recommended Shapiro "turn the beat around". I think it's much better than and insightful of "loves.." and "last night.." (not that those are bad!, but are a bit too much dj myth centered).

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

and Soul Jazz rules! (yeah they are bit priced but they worth, and also is a very difficoult job to make (great) compilations, as many of you know)

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

"b) sounds like capital-D-disco, unlike lots of the other disco comps making the rounds (dimitri, muro, joey negro, deep disco culture, etc) which in a certain way makes it even more tremendously awesome, because here's a comp that cleaves straight to all of the disco cliches and still makes it sound like the best thing ever, as opposed to "did ya know disco also means dubby reggae and banjo solos??" vibe of lots of the other comps "

This is so OTM. I've been writing the exact same thing about the Levan comp - my favourite tracks are all the ones where it would be absolutely impossible to attach a "(not disco)" after the "disco", which is kind of refreshing given the (otherwise mostly justified) russell/beardo crit circjerk.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

the Walter Gibbons 3cd on suss'd and the Levan 2cd on Rhino (even if this is not only Levan mixes and production, but also faves) are perfect companion to the Moulton anthology

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

"This is so OTM. I've been writing the exact same thing about the Levan comp - my favourite tracks are all the ones where it would be absolutely impossible to attach a "(not disco)" after the "disco", which is kind of refreshing given the (otherwise mostly justified) russell/beardo crit circjerk."

sorry but i love both, classic disco and russell (i would have loved to see a "disco not disco 3"). the Loft compilations were OTM with both kinds of disco (bye bye Strut and Nuphonic....:-( )

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

I love both too! I know Vahid does as well. But the amount of attention focused on the "not disco" recently can easily give rise to the erroneous impression that you've got "I Will Survive" and "Young Hearts Run Free" on one hand and "Is It All Over My Face" on the other, with very little in between.

Yeah the Loft comps are fab.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

"I love both too! I know [...] in between."

OTM. (sorry if i sounded like i was disagreeding with you.)

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

i bought this ages ago and haven't listened yet.

the new lcdss single kinda reminds me of a weird amalgam of the last three tracks on the first disc of the larry levan comp, but little tops "haven't you heard" by patrice rushen with which i regularly piss off my surfer neighbors.

― josh. (disco stu), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

Best song ever obv

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

I had a big E moment to that record, didn't even know what it was at the time.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

every time I hear "Haven't You Heard" is like a big E moment

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

you all know this is coming:

the inevitable Paradise Garage biopic: Moulton, Gibbons and Levan racing for the remix, eccentric characters like Arthur Russell and David Byrne skulking around, the spectre of AIDS looming ahead...it will be like The Last Days Of Disco but instead of chatty socialites, the focus will be on the music itself...we can only hope that it doesn't get optioned by Tom Cruise...

― hank (hank s), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

starring

johnny depp as tom moulton
jack black as walter gibbons
usher as larry levan
leonardo dicaprio as arthur russell
jared leto as david byrne

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

maybe that should be

johnny depp as nicky siano
woody harrelson as steve dahl

still can't think of who's going to play tom moulton ... who's the modern day tom selleck?

and who's going to play david mancuso?? val kilmer?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.popmatters.com/film/reviews/i/images/in-the-mix-2005.jpg

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

still can't think of who's going to play tom moulton ... who's the modern day tom selleck?

http://www.biography.com/famous/images/episode_images/Matthew_McConaughey_320x240.jpg

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

Arthur Russell would be ably played by indie-fave James LeGros
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f2/180px-Gros.jpg

― hank (hank s), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...

best disco comp ever

― tricky, Sunday, 11 March 2007 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

What kind of Tom Moulton comp doesn't have "Dr. Love" on it?

― The Brainwasher, Sunday, 11 March 2007 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

Funny, I just grabbed this off the shelf tonight even before seeing this. Gotta agree with the discussion above, though, the liner notes are pretty horrific. Luckily, the story they are telling is interesting enough to keep reading

― matt2, Sunday, 11 March 2007 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

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