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Hooray for Mark Hollis' solo album and everything it stands for.
I love(d) Tilt but it's no Spirit of Eden.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 13 October 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Well...I just plunked down 16 bux for this muther, based on y'all's advice. You fules betta be right or I WILL get nasty!
(Obviously, somewhat skeptical still. We'll see in a lil' while.)

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 13 October 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Francis W - is the "lil' while" over yet? so, wot's your impression of it all?

*curious*

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 13 October 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Maaaaaaaaang...
Spare and beautiful...but, maybe TOO spare and restrained, and quiet.
The album obviously works better as a whole than as a collection of individual songs. I can definitely see the appeal of it, though. Maybe it came off as too ambient sounding for my tastes. Plus, Mark Hollis' voice kind of grates on my ears. It's like some unholy amalgam of Chris Isaak and Bryan Ferry, which can be alternately great and grate, depending on my tolerance level. I still liked it a lot, and I guess I could consider it as a masterpiece, but not an all-time classic. But hey, what do I know?! So I'm gonna give it several more spins tonight when I go to bed and relax. I'll pop the headphones on and see what nuances I can pick up on the second time around.

PS- Based on my suspicions, I will probably fall madly in love with it and take it to Vegas for a shotgun wedding by the fourth listen. And it wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/IntSD250198.html


good mark hollis interview.

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/Interviews.html


this page has a lot of good interviews. including one with phill brown.

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Turn it UP when no one's home.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I listened to it several times on headphones today, and I gotta say I still don't love it, but I'm appreciating it more. It's too post-rock-ish for my personal tastes still, which is what's getting in the way of further enjoyment. And it keeps on reminding me of latter-day Radiohead for some reason, which I'm not a fan of. It's gotta RAWK some more, dammit!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Desire" rocks so fucking hard

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Please don't shoot!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it true that they once spent an entire day recording a virtuoso violinist, just hours and hours of tape... and the only thing they kept on the record was a little mistake by the violinist? How about that other legend where they spent another entire day recording a choir and then delted the whole thing the next day because it was "too perfect"?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The choir thing is true. The violin bit probably is too. Mind you, that sax break at the beginning of What's Going On was the guy warming up, not knowing the mic was on.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the Ph1ll Br0wn interviews collected in Tape Op Magazine dish ALL the dirt on Talk Talk ... well ... maybe except for the coke.

I just got Bed's Spacebox and The Newton Plum and I've got to heartily concur whoever recommended these upthread.

The thing is ... it's so difficult to evaluate Bed objectively, that is to say apart from its role as pornography that caters to Talk Talk/Bark Psychosis enthusiasts.

I love all this music. It's now a neat little genre that's been cooking steadily (but slowly and carefully) for fifteen years. Truly an interesting phenomenon, as far as music goes.

Hmmm ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

After an initially good reaction, Bed have left me cold. I've not played Spacebox or The Newton Plum for pleasure since I first got them a few months ago. It's parody, nothing more. I'm faintly disappointed in myself for ever getting worked up about it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
Just bought it and it was really good. Sparce sounds backed up with lovely melodies.

I am just suprised that I missed it in 88, it could have been altering my mind for years. Better late than never.

hector (hector), Sunday, 4 April 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Then, now and always.....FLAWLESS.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 May 2005 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

especially at 4a.m.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 21 May 2005 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just learning Violin and this is my favourite album to jam along to.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 21 May 2005 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Found this on YouTube, their last ever TV appearance:

I Believe In You

For fanatics, something sublime (even though it's mimed).
For the unconverted, it'll swing you one way or the other (RadioWho?).

Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Sunday, 3 September 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

New ILX doesn't seem to recognise this as a new answer... so I'm trying again.

Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Sunday, 3 September 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

Still amazing. I know every second and it still floors me.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 February 2012 21:42 (fourteen years ago)

Absolutely love it. I think I prefer Laughing Stock just a touch more though.

Turrican, Monday, 27 February 2012 11:48 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Played it at our record club last night.

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/talk-talk-spirit-of-eden-round-38-nicks-choice/

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

Graham at our record club adores late-period Talk Talk, but he's kind of encountered it as an end-point, and not really kept up with music after getting into these records.

So, given that Graham also likes Cocteau Twins, Simple Minds, and various other early 80s alternative stuff, what records from the last decade might you recommend for him?

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

That record club blog is fun. Nice one!

mr.raffles, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:00 (thirteen years ago)

XP - Ulrich Schnauss?

Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:30 (thirteen years ago)

M83, Telefon Tel Aviv, Glasser

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:13 (thirteen years ago)

Shearwater?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:28 (thirteen years ago)

More electronic stuff probably isn't going to float Graham's boat, I'm afraid; he's been left pretty nonplussed by the likes of Four Tet at record club. He's a big Led Zep and Pink Floyd fan, so I think the rockier / profiler angle is probably the one to take.

I'm thinking Grizzly Bear, Smother by Wild Beasts, maybe latterday Swans, Bark Psychosis (obviously). Shearwater are a good shout. I think the last Notwist album had quite a pastoral Talk Talk vibe at points.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 06:52 (thirteen years ago)

Might be worth trying Tame Impala on him, for an updated 60s / 70s vibe. "Pygmalion" by Slowdive, admittedly not last ten years but he might like it. What about Mogwai? "Rock action" has a few tracks with a post Talk Talk vibe?

Rob M Revisited, Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:00 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe Dungen alongside Tame Impala. Rock Action might be a good shout.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:03 (thirteen years ago)

Calico e might be a good shout. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, too.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:07 (thirteen years ago)

Califone, fuck you, iPad.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:07 (thirteen years ago)

Try him on The Gathering - How To Measure A Planet.

Miss Anus Regrets (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:03 (thirteen years ago)

Low - The Great Destroyer
Julianna Barwick - The Magic Place

Aimeej0rd0nian Ghoulcaper (NickB), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:15 (thirteen years ago)

Mark McGuire (Emeralds), maybe.

Mule, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:24 (thirteen years ago)

I still think that Dean Roberts' Autistic Daughters project that he had with a couple of Austrian improv guys (Werner Dafeldecker & Martin Brandlmayr, who have both done things with Fennesz and Otomo Yoshihide and David Sylvian and folks like that) is one of the best takes I've heard on a post-Spirit of Eden sound. It's quite low-key music, but instead of being a lazy, broad-brush recreation of that particular hushed mood, the playing is very detailed and sensitive and there's this great shimmering, expansive feel to it, kind of like Kranky's ambient rock version of the Necks. Two albums, both on Kranky, I prefer the second (Uneasy Flowers), but Jealousy & Diamond is the only one that's on Spotify in the UK:

http://open.spotify.com/album/5Sd169h39UqT82e3kExP9i

Aimeej0rd0nian Ghoulcaper (NickB), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:45 (thirteen years ago)

Speaking of Fennesz and Sylvian, that Fennesz/Sakamoto-record from a few years back might work. "Cendre". Doesn't carry quite the emotional impact late-era Talk Talk does, though. On the other hand, very few records do.

Mule, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:47 (thirteen years ago)

Sylvian doesn't go for searing impact though, ever. His is not struggle music like late TT or mark II Scott Walker.

Miss Anus Regrets (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:02 (thirteen years ago)

I was speaking of the Fennesz/Sakamoto-record when I wrote that, but I agree re Sylvian. Only mentioned him because the post before did, and his association with Sakamoto made me think of the record the latter did with Fennesz.

Mule, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:10 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah wasn't trying to be combative. Just somth I've thought about before w/r/t sylv. And it can be a good thing!

Miss Anus Regrets (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:45 (thirteen years ago)

Definitely.

Mule, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:05 (thirteen years ago)

This little exchange made me put on "Secrets of the Beehive" for the first time in ages. So thanks.

Mule, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:08 (thirteen years ago)

Nick, what about "post-progressives" like No-Man's TOGETHER WE'RE STRANGER or Hogarth/Barbieri's NOT THE WEAPON. These ones always struck me as being about halfway between Talk Talk and Pink Floyd.

doug watson, Friday, 26 October 2012 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

Oh!

What about Cass McCombs - Wit's End

It'd be perfect?

Evan, Friday, 26 October 2012 05:30 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe worth taking a look in this thread Nick

Music that sounds like 'Spirit of Eden' and 'Laughing Stock'

I hear a Talk Talk vibe in that last Notwist album as well. If it's Post-Rock-y stuff he's into maybe Labradford or Do Make Say Think.

Aside of that maybe

Destroyer - The Laziest River

Menomena - Mines (One of the most under appreciated albums of recent years for me. I hear a Talk Talk sensibility in some of their stuff)

Bon Iver - Bon Iver (Probably not the most popular or hip choice but I get a Spirit of Eden influence in this. They used to cover 'I Believe In You' live as well)

King Kreosote and Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine

Idaho - Hearts of Palm or The Lone Gunman

Internet Alan, Friday, 26 October 2012 08:50 (thirteen years ago)

Diamond Mine!

Yeah, had a root through that thread when I posted this, some good suggestions.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 26 October 2012 08:53 (thirteen years ago)

Given that your friend has a liking of Pink Floyd, Zep and the Cocteau Twins, I wonder if he might like a band on K-Scope called North Atlantic Oscillation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M43P_8UkA5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYImUCbiGA

Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Friday, 26 October 2012 10:00 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, Graham could do worse than investigate the entire K-Scope catalog. Or go even further and explore the Burning Shed site. (Thanks for the "Cell Count" link, Mares. A great, great song that's going down particularly well this morning.)

The first Marconi Union, Under Wires and Searchlights, is also worth checking. They went much deeper into the electronics after this, but the debut is a engaging mix of atmospherics, Gilmour-era Floyd and Morricone guitar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFUC7ndTeA

doug watson, Friday, 26 October 2012 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

three months pass...

I first listened to Spirit of Eden at a time of crisis in my life. It was the year I graduated college and my first love/first relationship ended. I was at rock bottom. Spirit of Eden was the most deeply moving and spiritually cathartic album I had ever heard.

Around the same time, I had also listened to similar albums such as Hex (Bark Psychosis) which became one of my favorite albums and is, for me, perfect late-night listening and the quintessential winter album. At this time, I listened to Laughing Stock, as well, and, although its instrumental complexities were entrancing, it simply did not speak to my emotions the way Spirit of Eden did.

Spirit of Eden is still the album I go to when I'm at my lowest and searching for my path.

It's one of my Desert Island albums, alongside
A Storm in Heaven (The Verve)
No Other (Gene Clark)
Lazer Guided Melodies (Spiritualized)

Graveyard Poet, Monday, 25 February 2013 09:46 (thirteen years ago)


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