Rodan/Rachels: Classic Or Dud/ Search & Destroy. (RIP Jason Noble - August 2012)

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But Egon Schiele was a commissioned work. It's the soundtrack to a theatre piece -- which is actually why I think it's their best work, since the limitations imposed by that format rein them in a bit. Of course, your point is taken, J0hn, since they otherwise have song titles like "Frida Kahlo" and publish excerpts of Pablo Neruda poems in their liner notes.

I agree that the ponderous cello business on Handwriting sounds pretentious and pales next to Bach. (That record is my least favorite of theirs.) But I agree with Bucky that their rhythms largely distinguish them from other neo-classical groups. The other day, I used Rachel's on the "indie rock" thread as an example of music that's "indie" because it develops from an "indie" background and is produced for an "indie" demographic (another way, beyond what-label-you're-on, to define "indie" outside the music itself). But I also think that their use of rollicking percussion (search: "Kentucky Nocture" on Selenography) is good evidence of their rock influence and the main reason, I think, it's not quite accurate to say they're an inferior version of Glass/Kronos/etc.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

But didn't they just do the music for a play about Egon Schiele and someone at T&G turned it into an album? This wasn't an "album" per se but background music for a play or a dance or something. Point being - it's not exactly fair to judge Music for Egon Schiele as an album title or as an "album," is it?

The apostrophe sucks. Why I defend this "band" I do not know.

And to top this post off, the T-Wolves have http://espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/3007.jpg arguably the best player alive today, and also, as a team, quite a nice style of play. The comparison went over my head, I think, J0hn.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

(Oh, I also like that "dodgy harpsichord track"! Come on, fast and furious, it's great!)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry for doubling up on jaymc's point above!

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

but jaymc, Glass does rock music better than Rachel's! Search: Mishima soundtrack (a HUGE influence on both Rodan and Rachel's actually).

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i hear them as the precursor to a lot of "screamo" bands and definitely contemporaries of antioch arrow and heroin and those sorta bands,

a precursor to bands that had already broken up? interesting. well, i couldn't agree less. like i stated upthread, i think that quite a few of you are giving way rodan way too much credit.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

did nobody hear the Rachel's Sea and Bells? Search that - it's lovely and interesting. Destroy Handwriting and Egon Schiele.

Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard Mishima performed by Kronos, that's it. How is Glass's version "rock"?

Sea and Bells is probably Rachel's (should that be Rachel's's?) most overtly Glassian album. I think it's a little over the top at times (Ryan Pitchfork: "Oh no, the ship is sinking!!!"), and "Sirens" is an exercise in avant-garde that succeeds only in making me get up to skip to the next track -- but goddamn if some of those repetitive melodies don't get stuck in my craw.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I listened to "These Pearls" to try to isolate what I dislike. . . It's hard to explain. It just sounds overtly bad to me, like it fails to achieve anything at all. The melodies don't either develop into anything or repeat in an interesting drone-like way. There's definitely nothing interesting going rhythmically. From what I have heard, it would have never occurred to me that someone would point to rhythm as a strong point for Rachel's, esp considering what has been done with rhythm in classical music. The writing, in terms of harmony or counterpoint, just seems crude and not in an appealingly or creatively simple way. The instruments don't seem to me to complement or interact with each other in an effective way. It doesn't strike me even as pleasant background music or as a successful synthesis of classical music with indie rock elements, more like a C+ 2nd-year undergrad project or something.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Kronos couldn't be rock if they were fucking igneous. However, the org. Glass version is pretty "rocky" in a sense, and is the only thing of his besides a few early works that I like.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I also hear more and better rhythm/'rock' in Glass. Agree with early stuff + Mishima being picks.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually like Shipping News plenty when they're not going for the tara janeified moany strummy droney stuff (which she can do much better on her own, rilly).

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Tara isn't in the Shipping News, Sterling.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I do like those Tara Jane O'Neil solo albums. First one's the best.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

okay. it reminds me of her solo stuff tho -- probably muller's handiwork then.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah Tara Jane's solo recs. are wonderful to my ears

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

J0hn, what do you like about TJO? I guess I'm trying to figure out your musical tastes, since I know you're not one for Tortoise-style post-rock, but I see some post-rock elements in TJO's music.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

sterling, i've decided i'll take tori amos and smashing pumpkins over rodan, sure.

i'm with gygax. the best high school poetry = heavy vegetable and clikitat ikatowi. thought that might be hometown bias.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

gygax, antioch arrow and heroin came after rodan.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

or at least antioch arrow did.... heroin were more like contemporaries, which is what i said above....

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Do they sound like Rodan?

King Eddie, Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

no you said precursors not contemporaries but it's okay.

FYI heroin formed at torrey pines hs in del mar, ca in 1989 during their junior year. they broke up in 93. Rodan released their first single later that year.

aaron and ron formed antioch arrow after the heroin breakup.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

okay i imagined the precursors thing but anyways it's good i like saetia do you

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

gygax! did you go to torrey pines?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a lot less emo about hatin' the post-rock than I used to be; I'm just put off by 1) jam bands that don't wanna admit they're jam bands, i.e. the Tortoise, and 2) pretentions toward "serious" music without the chops to back it up. I know Rachel Grimes took a B.A. in music, but so did a lot of people; the music itself doesn't work as new classical for me: the themes develop sloppily, their recapitulations are hamfisted, et al. Tara Jane O'neill, on the other hand, really seems to have some interesting ideas about songs, the presence of the singer within the song, how rhythm works with lyric, etc. I just feel her groove more, is what I'm sayin'.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Does the voice make her more interesting?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

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in my previous life! che cafe and world beat center yo.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

also, i think tortoise is not as bad as most of the ILM h80rz say... well, up until TNT (the jam record) at least.

if you have tortoise beef, kindly take it here

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

tortoise beef

What, grapefruit beef wasn't enough?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

don't you have any floucing to do?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

or flouncing for that matter?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think Tortoise are a 'jam' band.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 30 May 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

What exactly is a "jam band"?

Yvonne, Friday, 30 May 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Well that's what I'm wondering Yvonne - I take it to mean yr Deads or yr Phishs - ie improv rock noodling w/ knobs on - whereas on rec at least, Tortoise seem much more structured/anal. The one time I saw Tortoise live, they were less improvvy than I expected - you got yr marimba solos, but also lots of obv. composed passages/pieces that were anchored by a massive boomy/dubby bass sound and executed with ultratight/'tasty'/tasteful jazzbo elan (here's as gd as anywhere to say that Jeff Parker's recent solo alb is one of the best 'straight'ish jazz albs I've heard this year.) The more accurate/usual diss of Tortoise is that they're King Crimson w/out the vocals - but going by the singing on KC recs that's fine by me!

Plus McEntire is hands down one of the best drummers, any genre, I've ever seen, and god knows I've seen a few...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 30 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
I listened to the new Rachel's album in the record shop today - I think it's called Systems/Layers... it sort of intrigued me, not quite enough to buy it although I might on a second listen. Has anyone else heard this?

H., Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, yes, I'm listening to it right now. It's quite good. I would say more, but I think the Pitchfork review is actually fairly OTM.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

What's happening here with the Rach?

Love the sounds. Music for egon (the artist) slays.

Punkers should hear Rachels

Fer Ark, Saturday, 3 May 2008 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Rachel Grimes, of Rachel's, has a solo album out now, "Book Of Leaves (For Solo Piano)". You might (not) be surprised to hear that it's a solo piano album; 14 short pieces, largely reflective, melancholic and perfectly suited to autumnal times, with a couple of more rousing jazzy sections.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 10:36 (sixteen years ago)

holy crap i listened to rusty last night

cutty, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 10:53 (sixteen years ago)

i haven't listened to rusty for about 8 years. Downloading now.

Pedro Paramore (jim), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 11:00 (sixteen years ago)

I'm really liking it, it fits so well at this time of year; despite being recorded in summer times (in 2008) it definitely has an autumnal feel. It's very intimate, just beautifully recorded solo piano playing, with some field recordings of birds at a couple of points, but nothing too obtrusive. Music to make my heart ache.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 11:23 (sixteen years ago)

I just got a copy of Rusty too, it's dead good.

Neil S, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:31 (sixteen years ago)

Reading about following this solo album it turns out that Rachel's weren't named after Rachel Grimes, she wasn't even a founding member. I assumed it was, so you live and learn. Named after a car apparently instead.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:49 (sixteen years ago)

rusty is amazing. i also listened to hoover's "lurid traversal of route 7" last night

cutty, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:19 (sixteen years ago)

Rusty is brilliant. I like the Rachels and enjoyed the Rachel Grimes album.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:24 (sixteen years ago)

I've never heard Rodan. I was big into Rachel's, though I only caught them after the fact. I take it I should procure myself a copy of "Rusty" then?

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:27 (sixteen years ago)

damn right

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:30 (sixteen years ago)

It used to be damn hard to find but in the ebay era its easy i think. I found mine in the lateish 90s in Glasgow after years of looking.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

So it is OOP then? I'll give discogs & eBay a visit in that case.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

eMusic has it if you use that.

Neil S, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:42 (sixteen years ago)


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