the bats: C/D

Maybe there's no reason to it, that's just how I feel about them, I would never say my opinion is representative of any rejection of "the mid-to-late 80s FN roster". They seem pretty well established as iconic "world famous in new zealand" types that I've never actually heard anyone listening to.

xpost - the abover is responding 2 tha iDonut

Also, I think it's a bit less crass to insult a product than to insult an artist. But now I'm getting to the splitting hairs part, admittedly.

young david kilgour is k-fvcking-hott, his brother ain't so bad, but bob scott has always been a minger.

Haven't heard the new one yet.

-- paulhw (pppso...), November 6th, 2005 11:51 PM. (paulhw) (later)

What a load of bollocks.

Apart from the bit about Block of Wood being their best song, it probably is my favourite.

So what's the deal with the Wedding Present/Bats thing, and why should it matter as far as one liking/disliking their music? I don't see the Bats as a Wedding Present rip-off by any means, if that's what you were aiming for.

I heard the Bats on National Radio yesterday.

I think the new album is great, and perfect for clearing my mind and relaxing. Like a warm blanket indeed.

robert scott has some new tracks up, including some co-written, weirdly, with adalita from magic dirt

http://www.myspace.com/robertscottx

this new album is really good!

I understand why people dismiss the Bats as NZ milquetoast indie. Their sound is generic jangle pop, not nearly as interesting as some other Flying Nun Bands. However, I do love the first two EPs; Bats by Night and Here Is Music by the Fireside because they sound more off and askew. Maybe that's attributable to Alastair Galbraith's violin work which pushes the music into more drone and less jangle. The only song on "Daddy's Highway" that recaptures that sound is "North By North." The rest of the album is not nearly as strong.

I'd be interested to hear which FN bands Paul likes, if any.

Yeah, I like quite a lot. The idea of the Bats still leaves me feeling like I'm drying my pajama bottoms by a two-bar heater in a boring wintry smoggy Chch smog suburb, but stuff I adore (and listen to a lot) includes:

Bailter Space - all albums, but Thermos and Vortura-era especially. Robot World is also great.
Verlaines - from Hallelujah through to Way out where. Five of my most cherished albums right there. Is their new stuff any good?
Chills - a little bit. Parts of Brave Words and Kaleidoscope World are terrific, but parts veer into Bats / Abel Tasmans / Look Blue Go Purple type awfulness.
Straitjacket Fits - Hail. The rest is a bit shit. Shayne Carter was never as verge-of-world-domination as the NZ press liked to suggest, but he was OK. Shit like Cat inna can was bad.
3Ds - all their stuff is so much fun.
Some Skeptics. Some Gordons. Some Tall Dwarfs, but getting past Chris Knox's dickish personality is hard. Yeah actually he's awful.

So Bailter Space, Verlaines. Also a band called This will kill that, but they weren't FN.

I didn't keep up much after I left NZ in 1996...it seems that they moved more towards a Garageland / American-Australian indie direction by the mid 90s?

Oh yeah meant to add that The Clean's "Compilation" is probably 2nd only to Buzzcock's "Going Steady" as the most essential band comp ever. For some reason I never bothered with their albums and eps, and Kilgour's stuff is boring as hell.

and Kilgour's stuff is boring as hell

this is preposterous. i'd say most of the three members' best work has been done outside of the clean, which i suppose is more a function of comparable volume. 'here come the cars' is one of the most classic records ever.

yeah Kilgour's solo records (at least the ones I've heard) are actually brilliant, in a low key way.

and Kilgour's stuff is boring as hell.

Yeah, a really stupid comment. I'd reckon Here Come The Cars to be one of the top 5 all-time classic rock albums to have never been released in America. It's a nearly perfect record, sublime in every way. It's got a little bit of that low-key charm that Love's Forever Changes does, in that it seems pretty mellow at first, but really gets under your skin until you just imagine it being any other way. Most of the rest of his albums are pretty good, but the Ajax one is utterly disposable, aside from a moment or two.

The Far Now (his last one) was great, though the songs might've been even better live.

i'll have to get Here Come the Cars -- never heard it!

Opinions etc. But if you like Forever Changes...yeah, nuff...

the bats: C/D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X1faAqRrCs

this new album is really good!

it really is. probably my favourite since law of things.

Really? I find it just sort of there. "Couchmaster" was the last thing they did that knocked my socks off.

I realize that the influence runs the other way, but The Guilty Office reminds me a lot of Yung Wu, much moreso than older Bats stuff. I agree with those who say this is a really good album. I always like their stuff, but this one grabbed me more than recent ones have.