Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?

*cosign ffs

srsly

if this is the endgame of the culture wars then idk what to say or do

learn to do and say nothing.

also I dunno it's the (northern hemisphere) summer, aside from Ned my "friends" on fb are very quiet right now (like Ned had 20x the number of posts of my next closest "friend" last week), lots of people are on the road, or their brains are melting from the silly heat

seems like it could be a good time to run a retrospective ILM ballot poll though? I dunno I just want a place to shoot the shit about music once in a while, and fb mostly sucks for that

you need to get in a 2 year queue now for those, Euler. Johnny Fever said fuck it and was gonna jump it and start one but it never happened.
The all-time revisited poll was canned permanently I think.

I only have about 20 followers on twitter and most aren't interested in talking about music. Not to me, anyway. And obviously nobody ever sees my tweets so its pointless trying to start debate there

Johnny Fever said fuck it and was gonna jump it and start one but it never happened.

Nah, it had been planned from the beginning to happen in August/September, but if gr8080 and seandalai are available to move it up, I guess we can.

I cant even remember what the poll was going to be.

Albums & Tracks from the beginning of ILM thru the present. (aka 2000-2015)

oh yeah, the one that people will be campaigning for anything to stop Kaputt from winning

won't be won by a straight white man

(not saying this is a bad thing & in kaputt's case it is an excellent thing)

oh ffs

people will vote on the music not what kind of human (or robot) makes it.

imago with record time on that one, well done, why wait for the actual thread

won't be won by a straight white man

30 years ago a child would kick a ball on the street.

30 years ago a straight white man would kick a child on the street.

and he was never caught

lol

it was meant to be a combination of funny and true, ended up looking so much like piqued satire that I had to follow up with a disclaimer, shdnt try to jape about on these sensitive issues obv

you're a sensitive issue

music critics used to make lots of big posts here.. Now it feels they save that for the dayjob. Which is a loss to ilm

Wow, I've spent a lot of time lurking through past threads and thought it was a plus for this site that we'd been largely rid of that crowd... not that music criticism in general is a bad thing, but it's a magnet for snobs, and this site certainly got many of the worst of them. The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point. Record store rats spewing causticity at 14yos sticking up for their favourite band with newly-enlightened 30somethings egging them on? Entertaining yeah, but in a car wreck sense, on both sides, no? Seems like putting ego before loving music.

Recently a former regular here tweeted '"The idea of musical 'authenticity' is certainly a suburban idea."--Frith'... from this Cambodian perspective where "early 70s rock was real music" is a resounding statement, I'm not even going to bother asking whether critics think it's pre- or post- khmer rouge suburbia, but rather why no one's calling them out on this bullshit. This reliance upon ready-made insults is typical from modern critics. The only real counterpoint used to come from Geir Hongro, who was unfortunately so simpleminded that he became a village muppet. At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night. It's really entertaining to read, yeah, but not worth shedding a tear over. Things are fine now.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

that's Pol Pot behaviour right there

xxp i must admit i have no idea what you're talking about here.

huh. yeah not my experience of ILM mainly. plenty of that around the edges but when i think music critics making "big posts" i'm picturing multi-paragraph usenet-type things where people are trying to figure something out, or people who know something are taking the time to explain it. i've learned a ton from long posts on this board and have mostly just skimmed past the admittedly abundant contemptuous rockist zingers (which, yeah, are definitely around, especially in the VERY early days).

Has the signal-to-noise ratio improved in recent years? Seems like it.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

well that's not sexist at all

what's wrong with being not sexy?

'a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night'

new board description please

here we go

this might be a case of 'too much time on ilx' but i can no longer read the phrase 'off-the-shelf' without thinking of german toilets

appropriate given the circumstances

music critics used to make lots of big posts here.. Now it feels they save that for the dayjob. Which is a loss to ilm

Wow, I've spent a lot of time lurking through past threads and thought it was a plus for this site that we'd been largely rid of that crowd... not that music criticism in general is a bad thing, but it's a magnet for snobs, and this site certainly got many of the worst of them. The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point. Record store rats spewing causticity at 14yos sticking up for their favourite band with newly-enlightened 30somethings egging them on? Entertaining yeah, but in a car wreck sense, on both sides, no? Seems like putting ego before loving music.

Recently a former regular here tweeted '"The idea of musical 'authenticity' is certainly a suburban idea."--Frith'... from this Cambodian perspective where "early 70s rock was real music" is a resounding statement, I'm not even going to bother asking whether critics think it's pre- or post- khmer rouge suburbia, but rather why no one's calling them out on this bullshit. This reliance upon ready-made insults is typical from modern critics. The only real counterpoint used to come from Geir Hongro, who was unfortunately so simpleminded that he became a village muppet. At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night. It's really entertaining to read, yeah, but not worth shedding a tear over. Things are fine now.

― Adam J Duncan, Friday, 17 July 2015 14:13

Not my experience at all.

if you want me to be loud i can be fuckin' loud

ILM had a lot of good threads and posts and put me onto a lot of good music but the good of the experience was always way outweighed by the nastiness and the culture of group policing of opinions that developed, so over time it just stoped feeling rewarding and I stopped visiting. I also just don't like the things ILM most often gets excited about all that much.

a pile-on is never a pretty sight but people who can't bear to get a bit of a zinging if they write something stupid or challopian shd probably go somewhere else on the internet where nobody ever says anything sarcastic

a pile-on isn't the same as a hivemind or groupthink or opinion-policing. i've rarely seen anybody get a real piss-taking on ILM who hasn't been posting in a style that suggests "challenge my forthright opinions if you dare"

Ok

i could be wrong! maybe there's a load of evidence out there of naive innocents getting a verbal mauling all unprovoked. maybe people shd give examples.

is off-the-shelf british for off the cuff?

Xp I don't really feel like it.

I don't really feel like presenting a case and an argument on this point. I'm sure you could even trudge up posts where I was doing exactly what you're talking about, but you'd in turn just be demonstrating exactly why I stopped enjoying ILM

i love ilm but i pretty much only post when i am fawning over something and i need to share my enthusiasm, i've never really had the heavyweight opinions that others bring but i appreciate them

*dredge not trudge

scott it's more like "off the peg", readymade

okay, got it. that would be off the rack here.

Btw I actually think it had been less nasty and polarized in recent years but I just already felt sort of fatigued of the experience by then. When I first came to ILM there was more of an overthrow-the-old-guitar-order/make-fun-of-post-rock vibe that I found off-putting and intriguing at the same time. Because I liked some post rock a lot and I didn't really see why it was so worthy of bashing but I also hadn't encountered anyone who so strenuously hated it before.

tortoise were no penguin cafe orchestra. that's right, i said it...

Scott you were always one of the posters who kept me coming back to ILM

2006-08 period was pretty volatile iirc, but that was mostly down to dom and the zing crew.

"Scott you were always one of the posters who kept me coming back to ILM"

i apologize...from the bottom of my heart...