MF Doom?

king geedorah and mmm food were mostly self produced and therefore also his best albums.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:05 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um, his debut?

Well, Vic Vaughan is by far my favorite. Dark and inventive. Normally I have a lot of time for Doom, but (esp. following lip syncing debacle) it's clear he's struggling for scraps. Some of these are 3 years old, the Rae beat has been used...5 times? Vaughan is mixed too high over old beats (suggesting he was barely in the studio) and there's no concept. 4/10.

c'mon that lip syncing thing was classic.

Yeah, but this recovered piece of shit is not.

it's all right, damn

Operation Doomsday > King Geedorah > MMM Food > Madvilliany > Born Like This > Danger Doom > Viktor Vaughn > VV2

er, weirdest ranking ever.

VV>OD>MMMF>KG>MV>DD>VV2>BLL

I'M GONNA CALL YOU DAVE MATTHEWS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRIPPING BILLIES

born like lis

this record is great. fuck you all?

the Rae beat has been used...5 times?

Eh, "UFO" is almost as much of a stock breakbeat as "Funky Drummer" or "Apache" or "Impeach the President". At that point, it's so much a part of the fabric of rap production that any "recycling" criticisms seem beyond the pale.

Rev otm criticizing that for being overused misses the point - u can bet he is plenty familiar w it & was using that break intentionally

the rae/ufo track is great. youd think it would sound tired, but it doesnt.

"do you even know what the words you are typing mean?"

you obviously dont.

"um, his debut?"

and his debut yeah. i forgot that one.

"Operation Doomsday > King Geedorah > MMM Food > Madvilliany > Born Like This > Danger Doom > Viktor Vaughn > VV2"

totally otm.

surprised at the hate for the first VV, up there with Geedorah & Madvillainy for me. the second one really is a stinker though, ugh.

It's always good to hear ESG's UFO. I never get tired of hearing it on hip hop records but the fact that it makes up one of the few outstanding tracks on BLT speaks volumes. The sample should just be there to throw newer shit into sharp relief. But the newer shit is just that . . . shit.

Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.

from what ive read doom just did this album cos the label was on his back. and cos he needed a bit of money. but even in spite of that, its still a good album. even when hes maybe not trying super hard, dooms still a really great writer.

And where is the source for that bit of journalism

I liked the first vv too

Operation Doomsday > Mr. Hood > Madvillainy > Bl_ck B_st_rds > VV1 > Geedorah > Ghostface's verse on The Mask/The Madvillainy Remix EPs/The Madlib remix of Sofa King/all that other shit > DangerDoom > Born Like This >>>> VV2.

Pretty much everything up until Madvillainy is a classic in his career though, while DD/BLT are still good.

I agree pretty much with that

And where is the source for that bit of journalism

― autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:16 (8 hours ago

Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.

― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't think you get the song.

And where is the source for that bit of journalism

― autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:16 (8 hours ago

― wilter, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:55 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

listing favorites is not journalism...

what?

I just wanted to know about the label-on-his-back story

Not to beat the overused beats thing into the ground, but some of the self produced tracks on this are just Doom phoning it in over beats that were on the Special Herbs & Spices series like 4 years ago.

oh nev mind xp

Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.

― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't think you get the song.

― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

GET A BRAIN DORANS

batty = first rap slashfic?

hahahahaha

Nah

Thinking more of what they can't explore, like
the cartoon Donald Duck is giving fellatio on the floor
with Reed Richards, looking at The Thing's naked pictures

--Doc Octagon, 1996

very disturbed that it took you just 4 mins to come up with that

batty boys is a weird track, i'm still trying to work out what he's getting at there.

i don't know where this album is in the ranking of doom albums (i have doomsday, gheedorah, madvilliany, 2nd victor vaughn, some of the herbs and spices mixes) and i don't see why that's particularly important. just because it's his fifth best album or whatever ... a bit like complaining about led zep or black sabbath's fifth best, isn't it?

I'm aware of third person narratives etc. And I've been listening to Doom's stuff since about 2000, so I'm aware of what he does.

I just don't think there's that much there to 'get'. This isn't a bad album, just too dull, too lazy.

Dull and lazy? Maybe compared to Madvillain, but that was a collaboration....to my ears, Bazillion ear thru Rap Ambush and Microwave Mayo thru That's That represent near-perfect Doom...the samples might be old, but the lyrical flow is as dense as ever, so much so that I still pick out new couplets after listening to it 20ish times. If anything, its a rather inconsistant effort, but still as good as any hip-hop released in the last two years. And re: "Batty Boyz", if listened to in the context that its intended (Doom, supervillain, ranking on the homoeroticism of his competition),it is not offensive at all.

picking out the one time KRS-ONE says "GAY!!" is ridiculous.

I'm not threatening to wrap myself in a rainbow flag and set myself on fire outside Lex's offices (no, not McPherson's offices), I just think it's a bit lame, that's all. The KRS One comparison doesn't hold that much water.

Space Is The Place: Maybe I need to give it another listen - I didn't glean what you did from it but I should probably listen to it again. After all, the bugger did send me a natty, reversible DOOM mask through the post. It's the least I can do.

I hear "Batty Boyz" as a sendup of rap homophobia as much as anything.

I'd be with you, but there's no big "hey, i'm joking" sign anywhere. its message is left kind of ambiguous

i wish i was more comfortable with it because it's probably the second best song on the record after the one with kurius

I fucking love this:

Wrote this lyric in bed with a chick/She had the tightest grip around the head of myyyyy...

[lengthy instrumental bridge]

...Bic. Now can I my pen back?/Got no enemy; got no friend, black.

The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's fucking about Batman and Robin.

(almost worded that very poorly)

I'm huge mf doom fan but for some reason I don't really feel a need to listen to this album I don't know why

The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's fucking about Batman and Robin.

The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's about Batman and Robin fucking.

I am enjoying this album. Rap Ambush is the one I've been playing the most - I listened to Ballskin and That's That about a hundred times each while looking forward to this thing releasing.

Ah, I see, Rev! I never figured that the whole thing was about Batman!

I can't tell if you are sarcasms or not.

i'm not. I thought it was just a bunch of gay jokes followed by some batman stuff in the second verse

he does include a semi-cryptic explanation too: "There's gay choice/no hate debate/becomes a problem when they try to go straight/and raise the monster rate in the whole population/its starting to affect the super-pimpin occupation"

but my favorite line has to be:

"More rhymin/pure diamond/tore hymen/poor timin'/raw linin/Paul Simon tourin?/I'm in!"

i'm not. I thought it was just a bunch of gay jokes followed by some batman stuff in the second verse

― splattergories (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

THE BEAT IS A BATMAN SAMPLE