their style is more in my zone personally but the parallels def seem obvious
― supreme problematics (D-40), Saturday, 11 July 2015 09:32 (ten years ago)
coming in peace here to observe that the posters on the london underground for both bands have been strikingly similar in style & layout - the comparison occurred to me when i first saw the y&y poster - later, i saw this thread and the savage garden comparisons etc and listened to a song or two and all was confirmed
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Saturday, 11 July 2015 09:37 (ten years ago)
another similarity being ownership of extremely commonplace & generic one-word songtitles, an aesthetic decision i don't really condone but one i think i understand
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Saturday, 11 July 2015 09:39 (ten years ago)
and the cipher is complete
― supreme problematics (D-40), Saturday, 11 July 2015 10:19 (ten years ago)
Are these guys this year's The 1975?
Ha! Now it all makes sense! They suck too!!
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 11 July 2015 15:09 (ten years ago)
Deej is right, the battle lines forming here only make me more confident of my opinion.
― Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:50 (ten years ago)
ah you can't make disagreeing with dog latin into some kind of point of character
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:53 (ten years ago)
why not apart from laziness
― Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:55 (ten years ago)
i mean i guess you can, but not in such a specific context
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:05 (ten years ago)
to be clear i just meant that it really is just the fight over The 1975 all over again.
― Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:11 (ten years ago)
Come on dude even Imago is feeling sheepish about vocally hating on them.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:26 (ten years ago)
I just spent about five minutes with what I vaguely assumed was a Savage Garden melody in my head and then actually paid attention and realised it was actually 74-75 by the Connells. Now I can't really remember what Savage Garden actually sounded like and having read this entire thread I'm none the wiser about Years and Years either.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:32 (ten years ago)
Not trying to be combative, more saying that it seems like the strong objections are coming from similar people and expressed in similar terms, and one knows where one stands on one situation it's easy to apply the precedent to another.
It's almost comforting, really, to the extremely limited extent that knowing where one stands in an internet discussion about music taste can be described a "comforting".
― Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:15 (ten years ago)
Years & Years sound like about 20 other things, many of which have been mentioned in this thread & none of which are particularly evocative or convincing artists to suggest an ilxor check this group out, so you fall back on "...except better than that sounds" over & over
― supreme problematics (D-40), Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:20 (ten years ago)
weird wording but i assume u guys are used to that from my unedited ilx posts by now
^^^^
and as I have said before I think this fact is precisely one of the band's appeals (as it was with the 1975) - the sense that they're almost "redeeming" a lot of qualities that typically are executed quite dubiously.
but then I don't expect everyone to share my sense of creeping exhaustion with needing to define things by reference to a virtuous closed circle of good taste, which tends to reduce talking about music to the question of who can concoct the most enticing PR copy.
― Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:25 (ten years ago)
Gonna try to start liking this band now, pull the rug from everyone
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:08 (ten years ago)
I listened to some of this and found it largely insipid but it really does serve to illustrate quite how long it takes for a sound to translation from blog buzz to genuine mainstream.
Like you could have concocted a Hot Chip / Cut Copy song with vaguely Booka Shade-esque production in 2006 and it would have made sounded not dissimilar to this while being totally on-point and making zero splash in the real world, but fast forward nine years and one Sam Smith and bob's yer uncle.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:17 (ten years ago)
Yeah, it's always been that way. It's just easier to track point A to point Z now because it's in your face all the time and never goes away unless you shut off the internet.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:20 (ten years ago)
Matt's historical analysis is broadly correct although I think whether it's a mark against the later music comes down to whether that process of mainstream integration is simply weakening the music's force or recasting it.
e.g. In 2000 I thought that Kylie's "Spinning Around" was the "last word" in filter-disco's infiltration of pop in a fairly insipid way, whereas a year and a half later "Love at First Sight" took the same idea and turned it into a new pinnacle.
― Tim F, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:32 (ten years ago)
most of this just kinda passes me by but "Memo" is indeed really nice
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 12 July 2015 03:30 (ten years ago)
For a change u guys should just agree w us bc we are always right
― supreme problematics (D-40), Sunday, 12 July 2015 04:00 (ten years ago)
pleased the "this year's the 1975" observation (and ensuing argument) have already happened
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 July 2015 05:48 (ten years ago)
also strangely comforted that kitsune still exists and continues to release on-brand music
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 July 2015 05:49 (ten years ago)
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your internal taste chess is 0.000000001% as interesting to other people as you seem to assume
― lex pretend, Sunday, 12 July 2015 12:33 (ten years ago)
I only said that coz my taste was commented upon, jeez. idc really, the hunt for good music uber alles
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Sunday, 12 July 2015 12:46 (ten years ago)
chessthetics
― feargal czukay (NickB), Sunday, 12 July 2015 12:48 (ten years ago)
idrc about your taste in music & its vacillations either obv although i will rep for your taste in tennis & its players (ever considered being an actual tennis journalist, u'd be great)
years & years have some cool synth parts, on reflection & dancepop probably needs more openly gay content (i'm not rly qualified to say for certain though)
not my thread so this will be my last post, think of it as an olive branch and an assurance that i won't go all dumb snob come the eoys (rly. it's just too exhausting) ok made it all about me again lol peace enjoy the sounds
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Sunday, 12 July 2015 12:52 (ten years ago)
for some reason "shine" reminds me of kate bush
anyway
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 13 July 2015 17:05 (ten years ago)
I have been enjoying 'King', however the context for that is hearing it on family car journeys where it appears on Now 90 as a welcome respite between the twin horrors of Ed Sheeran and Maroon 5. That synth riff thing makes it the best song for Tarzan impersonations since Baltimora.
― feargal czukay (NickB), Monday, 13 July 2015 17:21 (ten years ago)
years & years have some cool synth parts, on reflection & dancepop probably needs more openly gay content
I thought "King" was somewhere between "likeable" and "nothing special," but I'm nonetheless interested in them for this very reason. But is the album significantly better than, say, Neon Trees?
― The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Monday, 13 July 2015 18:11 (ten years ago)
Really loving writing about this album.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 09:29 (ten years ago)
album is really good!
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:46 (ten years ago)
they just did a terrible version of "earned it" in the live lounge :(
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:59 (ten years ago)
This album is to One Direction what Carly Rae Jepsen is to Taylor Swift: the electropop realization of a promising earlier idea.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 13:03 (ten years ago)
I'm increasingly of the view that anything worthwhile derives at least some of its worth from containing hints of things that sound terrible on paper.
The idea that animates most great art in any medium tbh (not saying Y&Y are, yet).
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 13:15 (ten years ago)
:D
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 15:31 (ten years ago)
"Here, and on the album’s other highlights, the air of mercantile anonymity feels generous rather than cynical, the music as anxious to accommodate its imagined audience as Olly is his lovers, to be the song that made you dance all night even though you can’t remember a word of it now (i.e. to be the best song ever, as One Direction rightly observed). How else could you end up with a song like "Worship": a bright xylophone bounce for the verses, and a chorus that references gospel via diva-house via the Wanted’s "I Found You"? Appropriately, the band sounds too delirious to feel any shame."
<3
― Nourry, Thursday, 16 July 2015 11:39 (ten years ago)
Tim, this was lovely.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 July 2015 12:14 (ten years ago)
link?
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 16 July 2015 17:48 (ten years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20831-communion/
I'm in love with the good songs.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 July 2015 18:40 (ten years ago)
Liking this album. Oddly all the best songs are the end. That's weird.
― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:07 (ten years ago)
i still maintain that all the songs are good
― supreme problematics (D-40), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:21 (ten years ago)
some less so than others...not sure i even see the objections to 'eyes shut' as an outlier, reminds me of when ppl were so bent out of shape that NERD rerecorded the album with "real instruments" even tho several of the songs sounded better/hit harder that way
nb i don't think its 'better' w/ this organic sound per se, just that it's still basically the same song
― supreme problematics (D-40), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:22 (ten years ago)
oh i'm totally into "eyes shut" now
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:33 (ten years ago)
The edit made it seem like I was rejecting the lesser songs more firmly than is the case. There are better and worse songs here but it's a relative thing.
― Tim F, Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:31 (ten years ago)
besides which sometimes the worse songs become better over time
for instance i'm finally having a moment with "take shelter"
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:33 (ten years ago)
I really like "Without". Not so keen on "Ties" actually. But the only thing I have on Spotify on my new phone is this album and Sam Hunt's "House Party" and I really NEED to experience this album like that song, like have someone come over, dance around the couch to it and have ~~~FEELS~~~~ between the singy bits.
― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Friday, 17 July 2015 09:08 (ten years ago)
I'm still not feeling "King" or the back quarter.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 July 2015 12:49 (ten years ago)