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"Television Rules The Nation" - Not without a fat bass line it doesn't. Oh, there it is... okay this isn't so much ruling the nation as much as it is posing in front of a mirror muttering "YOU SEXY BEAST oh shit is that mum?"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

As for the two notable dahnce fan ILMers who have yet to weigh in, I predict that both Tim Finney and Ronan will like this new album, particularly Tim (although I only say that bcuz lately I've paid more attention to his writing.)

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

firstworldman sed: "I'm not sure I understand any insistence that a band (or artist) shouldn't have to work hard to produce something"

deej claiming the above is rockist then saying: "Do you need me to expound further?"

Me responding: "deej, can you please look up what 'rockist' means before you just toss it around aimlessly? or at least just argue on the point above made DIRECTLY, instead of using the 'r' word for reasons you obviously don't understand?"

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"Technologic" - FANTASTIC OPENING!!!!!!! Oh my God, this is outstanding!!!!!!! Oh my God, oh my God, best track on the album!!!!!!!!!!

(More after RW/RR BOTS II ends)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Donut christ, apparently I'm too stupid, could you please break down for me how that isn't rockist? Inferring that someone has to work hard to create good music sounds pretty explicitely rockist to me.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure.

Rockists: Synthesizers = bad

Anybody in this thread with any interest in Daft Punk is not a rockist. End of case.

There's no expectation on how hard one must work on a piece of art in the rockism tenets. In fact, lack of hard work is often PRAISED in certain rockist circles.. praised in the name of spontaneity and inventiveness.

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I think maybe you should take a look at a few rockism threads before you continue this discussion.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean the ones that completely misrepresent the term, and hence waste my time? No thanks.

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.maelstromgrafx.com/logos/smurf.gif

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

However, I'm all for ending this discussion.

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i don't know if i agree with EITHER of you guys. surely it's possible to be rockist about dance music? and deej, firstworldman supported his opinion pretty explicitly in his argument, i don't think its unreasonable to demand some craft from music, it's not like he burst into the thread and said "dance music is shit it's all loops anyway"

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, then deej should have used the term "purist" then.

And mark p is right..

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"rockism" = instance of "purism", specifically stating the superiority of guitar/organic based musicians over those who use electronics, with emphasis on the 60s and 70s as being the true eras of inspiration of good music, stating that the album form is a superior one than the pop single, and more.

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

HAH HAH MEN RULE

Okay, so "Technologic" is fucking awesome. I also notice that I completely missed "On/Off" so I'm not saying shit about it.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not getting pulled into another ILM rockist argument but suffice it to say that I don't think one has to put effort into music for the music to be good. If Daft Punk pulled this shit out of their asses, I couldn't give less of a fuck, because it's rocking my world.

Thank you and good night.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan it's just a weirdo interlude.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you and good night.

Fine! Why didn't you say this the first time?

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever dude, on/off is ace! best best. makes me cry. more emotional than one more time.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

well... it's a bit vague to counter, but i'd like it to be known that i am not and have not ever been a rockist and have never endorsed, been party to or ever been affiliated with rockism. i find it contemptible, mr. mcarthy. purely and utterly. however, if it would please the court, i will etc. etc. etc.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU'RE RED AS THE BLOOD THAT IS BOILING DEEP IN MY BONES!

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"Emotion" - This reminds me of a fuzzier version of the song in the credits to New Order's "Substance" video collection, only not as engaging. Pleasant enough.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.wootang.net/communism.jpg

― donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Woah, why am I hovering over that kid???

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

that poster was so much better when i thought it was real for an 1/8th of a second.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, final verdict: LIGHT YEARS BETTER THAN DISCOVERY.

Go ahead and scoff.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay! I knew Dan would love it! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

2005 is being too good to us.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Fine! Why didn't you say this the first time?

Because ONE WORD (you know the one) should have sufficed.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Of the three albums, I find this one the most consistent and listenable.

Having said that, the singles on Homework are superior to everything on the new one except maybe "Technologic".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

(Also deej., speaking as someone who likkes to play the semantics game and redefine words so that he can use controversial language to make innocuous statements, no matter how much you protest you're not going to change DC's interpretation of the word "rockist"; furthermore, looking for hard work from a band doesn't strike me as particularly "rockist" in the sense that most rockists I know don't really privilege rehearsal and effort.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ROCK :)
ROBOT ROCK :O
ROCK :)))
ROBOT ROCK :(
ROCK :D
ROBOT ROCK :/
ROCK :>
ROBOT ROCK ]:-)

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan is, generally speaking, entirely crazy but he is right about "Technologic" and to the haters who call it "self-parody," I don't see it.

xp to Dan - if this is the case, then the word rockist is useless. If we use it as a word to define any and all logical fallacies related to music appreciation, it is actually a very useful word.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

if this is the case, then the word rockist is useless.

YES IT IS.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I have downloaded it and I will listen to it tomorrow if it is a nice day.

Your discussions scare me.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Matos will be mad, Dan.

― deej., Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, you should listen to Discovery again and review it here!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Can somebody please just take their compression plugins away from them? And all these square waves are seriously annoying. Not very impressed at all. Mediocre songwriting and bland production. Big fucking deal.

― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

grumble fume etc

I am patiently waiting for my DL to finish. Meanwhile, I'm still coming to terms with "Robot Rock" as alleged total ripoff of that Breakwater track -- and also why said ripoff is not actually that big a deal.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i actually think it is a big deal, and i alluded to as much on another thread, but once "robot rock" (a song i was previously only lukewarm on) revealed itself to be one of the best on the record, it felt like less of an issue.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"intertextuality vs Plagiarism is necessary; progress implies it"

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

whats that from, sebastien?

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

part of it is from a couple of people; Debord, Lautréamont ...& me on the "copier/coller" thread I made on the net art board. In the present context, I mean what daft punk are guilty of, exactly? They haven't followed the rules of proper "intertextuality" by failing to id their reference on that album that is yet to be released or what (I go with "or what" because progress= friend of daft punk logic)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

can someone type out the lyrics to technologie? thanks.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, not a big deal to its detriment, maybe. (xp)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

well, fwiw i don't think they're 'guilty' of anything, especially not for leaning on samples, and i'm certainly not interested in finger-pointing, but i do think it's relevant to the extent that they have a reputation (whether rightful or not) for being gymnasts in the studio and that reputation informs people's expectations of their work (see: this thread). so if knowledge of their source material (and the extent to which they've copped it) is a big deal, then maybe it's because i think it could lead to a critical re-evaluation of the whole daft punk as tapehead musos thing. i mean i understand that this knowledge doesn't change the end result one lick but i am interested in process, if for no other reason than because it helps with forecasting..

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Point made, though when I first heard the singles from Homework I didn't hear so much muso gymnastics as I did the phenomenal ability to pick the best 5-to-10-second loop to ride and subtly tweak for 7 minutes.

(More thoughts on the context of the Breakwater track here.)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

but he is right about "Technologic" and to the haters who call it "self-parody," I don't see it.

I think I am the only "hater", but surely you can see how redundant it is compared with "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger", especially in the lyric department.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i cant help but listen to "technologic" without thinking it was purposely made to soundtrack tomorrow's electronics and it commercials

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

so, i still stand by a lot of my criticisms upthread... but listens 5 and 6 make a lot more sense than listens 1 and 2 did. i'll play this out a lot more than i will at home though.

and mark p. completely otm about how this song is made for apple's 'rip mix burn' campaign.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

and not to rub it in or anything but i feel really sorry for the people receiving notification emails from this thread...

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

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