Vince Staples thread

i think your interpretation is um...well let me just caution don't throw your back out doing those gymnastics

as far as mental gymnastics go idk my back didn't hurt that much, I speculated he could literally just be saying "this shit happens" and not meaning "this shit happens and /is horrible across the board/," because this is an album with nuance in spades! if he does literally mean he opposes what he's talking about, I obviously feel the opposite and it bothers me. the possibility certainly bothers me

but would also surprise me, is all, bc vince doesn't seem in all his interviews and in the perspective he puts across through his music, to be a conservative dude who wants to slutshame or rope women into motherhood

I think that verse needs to be seen in the context of the entire song, which I take as being about the reality behind the fantasy (first verse dealing with the glamour of being in gangs). "Sixteen, heard you wanna be a star girl / What he charge for the dream that you bought, girl?" and then later "I ain't really trying to judge / you be looking for somebody you can love / He was looking for somebody he could fuck / Took your body, wouldn't bother with you none."

i.e. taking the morning after pill at planned parenthood alone is the reality of the addressee's fantasies of fame/fortune/love.

You could say it's still slut-shaming (in a "don't let yourself get used" sense) but it doesn't strike me as pro-life really.

idk, kinda finding the whole mise en scene a bit prissy and ultimately detrimental for a rap alb tbh (tim trying to head this off at the pass i assume)

i mean if it was like john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf i'd probably bust two gunshots but

― r|t|c, Thursday, July 2, 2015 5:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more like trying to greet it at the door like an old friend (and lol @ john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf)

After a couple listens this is probably my AOTY so far.

Putting aside the religious overtones, a lot of black people are very suspicious of planned parenthood which is entirely understandable given American history, and the wealth of misinformation available on the net.

While the suppression of the black population via family planning holds no water as a coordinated conspiracy, it manifests as a social reality when a hugely disproportionate number of aborted foetuses have always been black even when controlling for income. You don't have to be pro-life to believe that this is a problem.

Always thought the great thing about Common's Retrospective for Life was that it was reconcilable with a pro-choice stance.

I haven't given this a long concentrated listen yet which it kind of demands

i suspect ill end up liking it but i do find his voice non-dynamic in short bursts, and i wish his rapping showed more of the personality that he shows in interviews.

I suspect that I'm liable to treat this more like a 3/4 star album & come around more fully as he evolves as an artist. i don't want to sound down on it, it's "obviously" good, but i think in part i'm also just allergic to consensus

lol maybe just listen to it until you can say something that isn't speculating on the arc of your own future opinions then

that said, i do agree that he's a hilariously funny guy who rarely puts that into his lyrics and it maybe wouldn't hurt if he tried it here and there. there's wit on the album but it's a very dry wit, he makes you work for it, for better or worse.

Al, give David a break. I've listened to this album twice and I know exactly what he means (and feel the same). It's an album to live with.

lmao

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJPypOZWUAAuLvG.png

getting an early Shabazz Palaces vibe from some of the beats on this

yeah that 50 cent line freaked me out!!!

this is still holding up well

Cali has been killing it the past couple years IMO when you think about it

boy this album gets better w/each play

http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/media/202210/_original/1436372645/1035x1555-GettyImages-479419748.jpg

Listened to this all the way through on my commute. Would have listened again if I hadn't arrived at stupid work.

Feel like there's less digging to do with this album than To Pimp a Butterfly. All of its appeal is right in your face. Not that Kendrick's album isn't easy to get into, but it feels more like you're supposed to meditate on what it all means while you're listening to it. Whatever it is I'm trying to say, they're two of the best things I've heard this year.

Yeah I get that totally. The Kendrick album is great but I feel like I'm still 'reading' it after having heard it months ago. It's like the Moby Dick of rap albums or something: very enjoyable, but lots to analyse and unravel, which can get exhausting at times. Sometimes I wonder if I respect it intellectually more than I actually enjoy listening to it on a visceral level. I find myself dipping in and out but rarely have the patience to listen all the way through in one sitting.

But this album's so easy to get through, even as a double album it really flies by. It's so much fun and yeah the beats (and BASS) just don't allow for dull or overcomplicated moments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kgz1WGiXDc

great rapper but i now worry his music is keeping us from what could be one of the best comedians of our time

(srsly the roll he hits at around 1:10 is unreal)

lol

"tom cruise is underrated"
"why"
"cause the mission is impossible. and he pulled it off. three times."

so thankful Vince Staples doesn't try to be funny-funny on his albums

Just got the album today so have nothing useful to say about it (it's good, duh), but the Rolling Stone interview is pretty sharp. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/vince-staples-q-a-the-most-exciting-man-in-rap-drops-knowledge-20150708?page=3

Been listening to this all weekend. It's seriously good.

Been trying to figure out if Jump Off the Roof samples 'I Will' from Hail To The Thief or if they just sound a bit similar.

well this is where the main sample is from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_yA02FY7KU

ah right cool.

god, the production on this album is just what i want to hear. i could listen to 'Lemme Know' all day.

I agree, though my favorite beat is the last track that gets cut off with static after like a minute. Frustrating!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/arts/music/vince-staples-and-j-cole-outsiders-in-the-middle-of-hip-hop.html

Mr. Cole, who produces as well as raps, feels like more of a deliberate conscientious objector than Mr. Lamar, who doesn’t have much of an ear for the accessible.

what?

I agree, though my favorite beat is the last track that gets cut off with static after like a minute. Frustrating!

― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, July 13, 2015 4:27 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Argh OTMx100. Just as it's about to go full-on too. Maybe that's going to be the start of his next record. Hope so.

weird. that sentence sure is presuming a lot (after reading it a couple times, that j. cole could write hits but chooses not to, but kendrick can't do anything except what he shows on his records).

there's a lot of "what" in that piece

perhaps chief among the "what" is that the fucking lede is a discussion of the j. cole jacking off song, lol

btw i've never knowingly heard j. cole, but when i hear about him i think of j-zone and j-live.

I don't know wtf a "deliberate conscientious objector" is. Is there an undeliberate one?

Ha, spot on

An unconscientious objector

Accidental Objector (J. Cole ft. John Mayer)

Jzone and Jlive >>> Jcole

^^^^^^

What kind of sound did you tell him you were looking for?
Honestly, I didn't really tell him. I showed him pictures. I'd say like, "You know how Downtown L.A. looks?" I was like, "Make it sound like 5th and Hill, but up at the top of the hill."

just realized i've been conflating No I.D. and Oh No :(

i'm having rap music alzheimer's or something

in the hood like a dollar sweet tea is a good line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9H8TLM_5q8

This just popped up on the Spotify Fresh Finds playlist for the week, pretty damn good!

http://www.factmag.com/2015/08/13/vince-staples-fake-hip-hop-heads/
i like dude and don't even disagree with him but he's getting damn close to trenchant social commentary

a mistake you'll never make

what a weird ad hominem sideswipe

thx, i heard this in the wild the other day and was wondering where it came from.

not ad hominem so much as an easy zing to make since saying someone is making 'trenchant social commentary' like it's a bad thing is such an ilx-specific inside joke