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Bought by young people != itself naive, exploratory or youthfully experimental, those fuckers had their eye on the dollar all along, I was educated with them and their sort

Not that PC Music aren't commercially interested, but there's more to them than that

Wait is it just a bit of fun or not? I can't keep up.

You are not so much shifting the goalposts as picking them up and walking them from one end of the pitch to the other.

You claim you love pop music but you sneer at music intended to make money. You claim PC Music is just pop fun one minute and then talk about it being "more than" that the next. You claim ILM hates young people and then sneer at music that young people actually like the next. I guess I'm having trouble discerning your ideological position here?

I think LJ's ideological position is best summed up by the following:

lol

I am sort of interested in what gets played in your office actually.

Its on the worst music of 2015 thread. I am very selective about music that gets played in the forest so the only preparation I had for this garbage was the EOY poll, which was horrible at the time but did prepare me a bit for what happens out there in the world

I had to google the lyrics for most of these, but these were the main offenders. Katy Perry, Skrillrex, Muse, Clean Bandit, Bastille, Calvin Harris, David Guetta, Disclosure, Yellowcard, Tove Lo, Lady Gaga. Sometimes he hums along. He whistled once

i wrote them all down

No gold stars expected. It's just a bit of fun, with some cool sonics and a dab of self-exploration. If this site would just admit that it fucking despises young people, that'd be a relief

― imago, Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:24 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahahaha yeah this site hates youth oriented music c'mon louis get a grip

this site really hates taylor swift and fetty wap and keef and speedy ortiz and and and and

in fairness, I do actually hate Keef

One day he played the thing called Muse, and then later he played something which was like Muse but also like the pc music at the same time. This thing was called Bastille. I wrote it down just to be on the safe side

(Basically I think you like this stuff for one reason and you are pretending to like it for another reason entirely because you know that the first reason is under attack. It's okay to be attracted to intellectual pretensions! Just do so honestly!)

Some good posts itt that made me lol, mostly Katherine using the diss "wikipedia brown" and matt bringing up the passing of ornette coleman

Had to skim some of the headier posts but

That Clean Bandit track definitely says 'fun' and 'cool sonics' to me more than any PC Music-related thing I've heard! I feel bad for saer though.

kids who dress like brandon walsh's mom from 90210 gone gutter punk

lmao

seriously tho it's everywhere

― goole, Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:39 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Links?

― everything, Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:50 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can someone throw up a link to another example of the pervasive electronic 'Cindy Walsh' twee scene?

― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

folks i was talking about the style, not a 'scene'

so many questions about the authenticity of enjoyment, so many better things in the world to do than think about them

When a person is destroying the environment and making horrible sounds the question of whether this unprovoked attack is a parody or heartfelt destruction is a question I have felt too under threat and anxious to really address. I raise my glass in a motion of bonhomie and conviviality to those that are made of sterner stuff though

(Alternatively you like this stuff for one reason but you are only heavily stanning for because of another, it doesn't really matter which)

@goole, ah I see. still think it might be helpful to have an example of the style being considered here

or you could all continue to keep dumping on this imago fellow

You claim you love pop music but you sneer at music intended to make money. You claim PC Music is just pop fun one minute and then talk about it being "more than" that the next. You claim ILM hates young people and then sneer at music that young people actually like the next. I guess I'm having trouble discerning your ideological position here?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 11 June 2015 18:43 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

clean bandit quip an own goal here but to me they sound like a band playing to formula and refusing to deviate from this formula as it will risk their image and their product, they sound like an inflexible contrivance and therefore the most boring sort of pop

pop making money is cool but I prefer to see the moneymaking as a means rather than an end

pc music are more than moneymakers, they are pop funsmiths - yours was a disingenuous misreading of what I wrote

ILM is deeply suspicious of music that codes youthful, unlike the often prodigious artists h3lg names

I like this music because it gets stuck in my head and I listen to it a lot and it makes me happy, I wouldn't cast myself on the ILX pyre over stuff I thought was a laugh but without musical value, I'm not gonna ride for ICP here

the only current exception to the codes youthful suspicion is like rae sremmurd and young thug but all their songs are produced by olds or w/e

ok i'm genuinely confused now, you think fetty wap and taylor swift don't "code youthful"?

fetty wap codes 'i been in the dealing game for years', taylor swift is p old now lol

today: codes as youthful

yesterday: "this has the same synth sounds as lmfao"

you have no ears

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Wednesday, June 10, 2015 11:42 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the only current exception to the codes youthful suspicion is like rae sremmurd and young thug but all their songs are produced by olds or w/e

― imago, Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:20 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mike will made it is 26 years old

fetty wap is 25

taylor swift is 25

fetty wap codes 'i been in the dealing game for years', taylor swift is p old now lol

― imago, Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok i'll bite have you heard trap queen?

wait how old are you now louis? that had to be at least five or six years ago that you stuck your dick in vacuum cleaner or whatever the deal was?

to be fair lmfao are probably in their late 40s or something

Metro Boomin is 21
London on da Track is 24
etc

to be fair lmfao are probably in their late 40s or something

just Redfoo

(j/k he's 39; Sky Blu is 28)

wut, I was saying the lmfao comp was bs

age is a mere #, they are making music to formula, it is sophisticated & guaranteed to sell, that is not youthful, taytay esp a prime case of accelerated development, she'll be able to retire soon if she wants

good case-study for this: odd future

I haven't read many interviews with AG Cook but he seems fairly sincere both in his appreciation for commercial music and his recognition that subverting it in obvious ways is a tired trope. The underlying concept of trying to recreate the slickness and visual creativity of chart pop with the kind of visual artists who wouldn't normally get a chance to engage in that world isn't an inherently bad one. Arguing that Miss Kittin did something superior when, for example, GTOFY was 11 years old and a fair proportion of the PC music audience was younger, isn't an automatic trump card. Pitching for the uncanny valley - something that's almost, but not quite, familiar could be interesting.

He's just a terrible, TERRIBLE producer and tying himself to a range of non-singers makes things worse. I like a lot of bedroom pop, including Naomi Elizabeth who isn't a million miles away from this, and there's definitely room for DIY, internet-led art-school stuff on the wider pop spectrum but the PC Music album doesn't work at all - it's not unheimlich, it's not slick enough to be effective as straight pop or abrasive enough to be challenging and it lacks any of the emotional rawness that makes the best synth-pop compelling. I don't doubt Cook like pop, i just don't think he knows how / why it works. The music and artists, racist tweets aside, are much less annoying than the 'omg don't u see the paradigm has shifted' commentary from people who lack Cook's own appreciation of the source material he's drawing from though (no shots fired at any here).

^^great post

age is a mere #, they are making music to formula, it is sophisticated & guaranteed to sell, that is not youthful, taytay esp a prime case of accelerated development, she'll be able to retire soon if she wants

― imago, Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:27 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahaha young thug is making music to a formula. huh.

it's not bs at all, those sounds and rhythms are reaaally similar

like, what about pc music codes as 'youthful' if not playing around with pop/trance synth sounds like that

and how is taylor or anyone else less formulaic than pc music?

Are we really down to "if you hate the way this music sounds it's because you're old/hate youth" at this point?

I just don't get why would anyone need to reach for reasons for liking/disliking pc music beyond how it sounds? It's particularly obvious from how it sounds that it would be divisive.

wish I hadn't written 'just' there - too caring...

pc music have some pretty out-there shit in their roster imo

young thug's formula:

vaguely threatening non-sequiturs

simple eponymous refrain

rpt x3 or 4

anyway, whatever mates. 'youthful' doesn't mean young. the rock band wire are pushing 70 and they are youthful

SV, fair enough, but what about the other producers? I tend to prefer SOPHIE's and DL Harle's stuff

if "trap queen" doesn't have youthful energy i will eat my fuckin copy of pink flag m8

i guess we're all revealing our biases here!

pc music's formula

stuttery synths

robot woman non-sequitors

simple eponymous refrain

imo closest american equivalent to pc music & generally the sort of thing i think of as 'youthful':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEbRUKanbkw

last few wire records are amazing but amazing because they actually seem sort of stately and autumnal post punk imo not embarassingly trying to recapture what they did

xpost see but the thing about is nobody in America listens to whatever that is & everybody listens to "trap queen"

SV, fair enough, but what about the other producers? I tend to prefer SOPHIE's and DL Harle's stuff

Harle is listenable but, idk, it's all pretty basic and there's nothing that makes me want to return to it.