♥☮☯♫ PC MUSIC ♫☯☮♥ ☺☺☺ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°✌

the best of this stuff is perfectly fine as indie pop but is guaranteed to kill the vibe at an Actual Dance Party

One day I will DJ for all of you in a sealed chamber with a reinforced steel booth

I'm in if you guarantee its airtight and everyone promises to hyperventilate

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1362639118l/123933.jpg

L'enfer, c'est les auteurs

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ha2vl2GS1qe75iho1_1280.jpg

When I think of snarky vocals I think The Fall, I do not think of this.

anybody else want to do a bit of couch therapy while we're on?

i feel like this is more pastiche than parody

I was thinking pisstake, but pastiche works.

everyone in pc music is like 25 or older.....

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 9, 2015 7:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is fucking wrong btw

it's a pistache

j justen could you explain to me what's happening harmonically around 1.20-1.35, with the obviously pitch-corrected 'together'? also when we get back to the chorus at 2.20? i have been struck when i listened to this before by the feeling 'huh, i did not expect this to modulate in this fashion!' when i listened, but i am curious--is 1.20 to 2.20 just a long bit of misdirection to distract you from the fact that all he's doing is a truck-driver key change?

that's probably my favorite aspect of it, also the subsidiary synth riffs at 1.50 (the one that sounds like the knife) and from 3.00 til the fade (the morse code sounding one)

i had actually heard this one track a few months ago and not gotten around to investigating further, when pc music vol 1 came out and i started listening to that on fairly heavy rotation i found myself more and more taken with this track even as some of the other stuff started to pall. again i think the music and the 'concept' draw from each other, i feel like all the 'is this parody? is it pastiche?' stuff is a bit basic tbh

--post-punk is a more interesting touchstone than we are making it upthread--think about DIY both as sound and ethos, ha ha
--DIY as sound: hannah diamond sounds like a member of the slits as much as she does a spice girl, is kind of the point
--i find the uncomfortable straining for the note when she sings "you kissed me" on 'attachment' affecting
--ppl who have never enjoyed a lo fi record will probably find it hatable!! this is totally ok obv
--DIY as ethos, well, what does that mean in 2015; what does DIY mean when we're talking about an act who had their event sponsored by red bull
--if your answer to this is going to simply be "it means they're not DIY" then think harder before you post thx
--'think harder before you post thx' applies to everyone in this thread
--especially me

i feel like all the 'is this parody? is it pastiche?' stuff is a bit basic tbh

yep

gr8 posts

so i am probably going to outdo lj for punchability in the following, thanks ilx it's been a great time:

there are moments at the worst of your affection for someone where you percieve yourself liking them not as something that comes from within you, not as some automatically authentic feeling, but as part of a system of exchange: you feel that your beloved's place qua limerent object is more part of the ... guhghghu ... structural format of desiring. that your 'self' is a construction, yr affection for others is a construction.

i'm not claiming this the insight of the danny l harle track! i'm claiming that this is a bit of conceptual baggage we all ought to be familiar with before we say things like "is this a genuine sentiment or is a mockery of one?" or "is this pastiche or parody?" or "are these vocals a joke?"

How is PC Music not pastiche? It's pretty clear that's what it is, both structurally and formally, and based on statements of intent by its creators.

thomp, excellent posts just here

further notes, i have to get to my korean class:

--yes, you can read this sort of thing into sampled/manipulated/quoted vocals everywhere. pc music make it more a part of their ethos than most, see below.
--"i don't think there's an authentic sentiment here!"--would you make this argument about 'love can't turn around', which will (if you play it to the nine out of ten people who aren't aware it's a Serious House Music Classic) provoke hilarity? is this version more or less joking about the emotions it depicts than 'i can't turn around'?
--possible objection: darryl pandy's vocals there still require a lot more craft, technique, talent than anonymous british woman on 'in my dreams' -- sure! but harle's arrangement i think features c, t, t; i'm not bothered that ppl disagree about that particular, mind.

--pc music make these questions more front and center than most, the various paratexts are read into the music and vice versa.
--partly this is why it rewards going down the rabbit hole a bit and listening to various tracks and thinking about their interrelation, thinking about the conceptual baggage they share; this also involves being surprised by the breadth of the sound, the various musical approaches which co-exist, even if you don't go beyond 'volume one'

--so when on the thy slaughter (?) track you hear "baby / i need to get real with you" it has some resonance outside of its context, for example.
-a lot of this seems offputtingly early-00s, yes (as well as the above, pace also the hannah diamond line about "saved a picture of you on my phone", which nonetheless i find totally affecting).

--'authentic selves' are problematic also in the experiences of i. making music, being a creator ii. having an Actual Dance Party, which is why i'm not sure about people pointing at these as essential, indivisible bona fides of value
--possible objection: "but i feel myself able to have authentic experiences!" well, good for you

How is PC Music not pastiche? It's pretty clear that's what it is, both structurally and formally, and based on statements of intent by its creators.

― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:37 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i. a. it's more that i don't think "this is pastiche" is a useful end point -- you then ask "what is this pastiche doing? how does it differ from its sources? is this pastiche meaningful?

b. i think a lot of ppl are using the term in a way meaning something like jamesonian 'unexamined pastiche' (lol my theoretical vocabulary is thirty years out of date)--i don't think this is what is going on!

ii. i don't think 'lemonade' or the sophie 'lipgloss twins' track are obviously operating simply in a mode of pastiche! and i think it's unnuanced to claim that, say, hannah diamond is simply 'pastiche' of bubblegum, or the danny l harle track is 'pastiching' trance

your beloved's place qua limerent object

so jaggerish

sup j

Pastiche, pasteesh, passssttshhh.. Noel twirled the words around, passing them from his front mouth to his back mouth, lobbing them back and forth, back and forth, 40-15, 40-30, DEUCE!, DEUCE that was it, they wouldnt get him this time, he knew what was next, advantage, but who's advantage, front mouth or back mouth, is this the real life, or just a fantasy, is this the pastiche or just a parody. No i will not do the fucking fandango he roared, but it wasnt the right roar. it was scaramouche again with his energy drinks, they dulled the earthy tones he remembered briefly from the warm up, these energy drinks, all cock and no balls, fifty shades of shite more like he chuckled

thread suddenly got good in the last 10 posts

i. a. it's more that i don't think "this is pastiche" is a useful end point -- you then ask "what is this pastiche doing? how does it differ from its sources? is this pastiche meaningful?

other people were saying that it was parody, which I don't think it is. I think pastiche, in the Jamesonian sense, is a more accurate description. I am using the term in a totally descriptive sense, and not making any Marxist negative judgments about it.

b. i think a lot of ppl are using the term in a way meaning something like jamesonian 'unexamined pastiche' (lol my theoretical vocabulary is thirty years out of date)--i don't think this is what is going on!

it is totally what is going on ... like, if you read your post before this one, a lot of what you're saying totally fits with that concept of pastiche. It is playful and not confrontational. It is not saying "pop music is bad," "pop culture is bad" -- compared to stuff like Culturcide or Negativland circa the Dispepsi album, which are more along the lines of parody in the Jamesonian sense.

these people have released like 26 minutes' worth of music, they hardly merit this much babble

DIY as sound: hannah diamond sounds like a member of the slits as much as she does a spice girl, is kind of the point

Nice point

they hardly merit this much babble

Good music is for playing bad music is for babble

- adolf hitler

PC Music = toytown techno + 20+ years - spontaneity

http://www.discogs.com/label/631074-PC-Music-3

More than 26 mins of music here.

more like floppy disk music

nice to see thomp's posts being engaged with so vigorously

I have one piece due today and two more that are due very soon, apologies for not devoting my exceedingly ample free time to a message board post

I just listened to that PC Music Vol 1 thing

so like this shit reminds me of like every time you go to a noise/weird band type show and one of the kids who dress like brandon walsh's mom from 90210 gone gutter punk has decided that they like pop music and they have some electronic "side project" that comes on between bands and so they dick around with their laptop and shit and their friends stand around and watch it and no one dances and then another noise band comes on

i thought that was just what kids did now

UMS nailing it.

rip ornette coleman

it's more palatable when it's your friends dicking around in an art gallery or someone's living room

anagram of 'enamel cornetto'

why

kind of appropriate for this trainwreck

kids who dress like brandon walsh's mom from 90210 gone gutter punk

lmao

seriously tho it's everywhere

xp let's not pretend this trainwreck is about anything other than paying attention to imago

seriously tho it's everywhere

Links?

matt nailed it

strange spike in GIS requests for cindy walsh today

Why are you being assholes, especially after thomp tried to raise the level of discourse?

stop begging for people to say what you want