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OTM. I hadn't made the connection with Miss Kittin.

who was that home counties girl who did the spoken word over laptop casio thing a couple of years ago?

george pringle

https://twitter.com/SubvioletRcrds/status/608283452551643136?s=17

Never lose your charm, gfoty

tick.jpg lj

At the beginning of 2010, she supported the French band Air on the European leg of their tour.

Based in London, she has released 2 critically acclaimed LPs to date. "Salon des Refuses". (a conceptual poetry album) and "Golfo dei Poeti",( a conceptual soundtrack album).

George is currently an MA student at Goldsmiths University.
Releases

"Golfo dei Poeti" (album), March 2013 (self released) "Salon des Refusés", September 2009 (self released)
"LCD, I love you, but you're bringing me down", Sept 2008 (Trouble Records) "Poor Ep. poor EP without a name", March 2008 (self released)

It's no more than an unoriginal and meaningless mish-mash of the Would-be-goods and the Doodlebops imho. They are not even half as subversive as they think they are because it's all been done before by others. Fans of this are even more as self-deluded and culturally stunted as the people who make it. There's no need for this music when people could be listening to *insert random act*.

is that a serious comment

About as serious as anything else on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLvp630plc#t=72

everything -- Maybe I'm inferring incorrectly but it sounds like you're implying that people should only listen to 'original' music? no one does that. And I'd say fans are less self-deluded and more so unaware of the acts that apparently make PC Music obsolete. There's a lot of bickering about how PC Music is unoriginal and not enough people posting examples of similar music that they should instead be listening to instead, a lot of which can be accomplished by talking about their influences. I posted some stuff upthread before the whole gfoty thing but, for example, I'd say it's pretty safe to say that someone AG Cook is clearly influenced by Scritti Politti, Frank Zappa's synclavier music, and Nancarrow's player piano pieces.

That 'culturally stunted' comment is silly. From your point of view it sounds like music is a competition for who can have the most cultural capital.

IT'S AN ELEPHANT YOU FUCKERS, AN ELEPHANT

ok fine, apologia time

while not entirely or rather unqualifiably white (cypriot) and while not entirely wealthy (scholarship kid) I grew up around white privilege, as many of my unfortunate early ILX encounters demonstrated

I said reprehensible & stupid shit and got ripped to pieces for it, but I didn't hide from this, with the result that the stupid shit I say now is considerably less stupid than the stupid shit I said then

GFOTY and PC Music as a whole might well be from a milieu of white privilege, and sure they might say stupid shit sometimes, but they are young, very young, and in their response to this furore they show the signs of wanting to reverse-engineer that privilege, just as I've been doing for the last 8 to 9 years

now because they are young they run the risk of saying something edgy which perhaps partially succeeds in its objective of zinging those from their milieu who are still ignorant and culturally bankrupt but crucially unearths a secondary objective they are unaware of: don't use deprivileged cultural signifiers as objects in your grand play or you'll exoticise them and emphasise your own privilege, not to mention offend everyone in sight

thus did gfoty fail, and thus did she suffer, deservingly. thus did she face the suffering, and perhaps thus did she learn

however, the court of ilx has seen fit to dismiss her as a terrible racist, and dismiss her crew as...well, many things

I'm not defending what she wrote. I castigate it in the highest terms. I think she's an idiot. However, I empathise with her. I have been an idiot too, a similar idiot. As have all of you, admittedly not all from such a privileged milieu, but all from a position of thinking you've got culture nailed when you hadn't considered another angle. Is some empathy too much to ask for?

By the way if AG Cook was really only able to draw a crowd of 50-odd people at a festival as hipster-saturated as Field Day then PC Music is completely culturally irrelevant and doesn't deserve a fraction of the column inches it's been drawing so far. Even if he was on at 11am or up against the headliner.

I mean unless he usually plays to packed out crowds in Croydon or Hull or somewhere, which I doubt.

Sophie sold out a pretty big club here in Vancouver last year. People here put it on the breakcore/jumpstyle continuum rather than a subversion of pop music or whatever the fuck y'all think it is.

This thread just makes me sad that ILM wasn't around when Kula Shaker were talking about how much they'd love to have big flaming swastikas up on stage.

Despite enjoying the experience initially, he left after a year; his arrogant ways made him unpopular with the other boys but they did enjoy beating him up.

they are young, very young

everyone in pc music is like 25 or older.....

just babes. vice guy said as much.

while not entirely or rather unqualifiably white (cypriot) and while not entirely wealthy (scholarship kid) I grew up around white privilege, as many of my unfortunate early ILX encounters demonstrated

I said reprehensible & stupid shit and got ripped to pieces for it, but I didn't hide from this, with the result that the stupid shit I say now is considerably less stupid than the stupid shit I said then

GFOTY and PC Music as a whole might well be from a milieu of white privilege, and sure they might say stupid shit sometimes, but they are young, very young, and in their response to this furore they show the signs of wanting to reverse-engineer that privilege, just as I've been doing for the last 8 to 9 years

now because they are young they run the risk of saying something edgy which perhaps partially succeeds in its objective of zinging those from their milieu who are still ignorant and culturally bankrupt but crucially unearths a secondary objective they are unaware of: don't use deprivileged cultural signifiers as objects in your grand play or you'll exoticise them and emphasise your own privilege, not to mention offend everyone in sight

thus did gfoty fail, and thus did she suffer, deservingly. thus did she face the suffering, and perhaps thus did she learn

however, the court of ilx has seen fit to dismiss her as a terrible racist, and dismiss her crew as...well, many things

I'm not defending what she wrote. I castigate it in the highest terms. I think she's an idiot. However, I empathise with her. I have been an idiot too, a similar idiot. As have all of you, admittedly not all from such a privileged milieu, but all from a position of thinking you've got culture nailed when you hadn't considered another angle. Is some empathy too much to ask for?

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 2:04 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I imagine imago reading this posts off a scroll standing on a box in the public square wearing a three-cornered hat

oh hear ye qt

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/DemosthPracticing.jpg

I'm not defending what she wrote. I castigate it in the highest terms. I think she's an idiot. However, I empathise with her. I have been an idiot too, a similar idiot. As have all of you, admittedly not all from such a privileged milieu, but all from a position of thinking you've got culture nailed when you hadn't considered another angle. Is some empathy too much to ask for?

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago)

this is so purblind and risible

'let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the first stone' doesn't work when everyone has been young and not everyone has approved of the the ronaldinho bottle opener

My Back Pages def takes on a new meaning

Also you can't praise her for her deconstructivist vision while simultaneously acknowledging that she is the sort of fuckwit who would, in a widely read online publication, make a blackface gag about a pair of venerated musicians in order to make a point about a lame British rock band.

when did I ever praise her for her deconstructivist vision? never, that's when. i've never commented on her until now

Haha this GFOTY mix is mad :D

think I could get with this in a fairly major way - I don't even care if it's impishly playing with convention while obviously enjoying itself; oh no my sainted Pop is being deconstructed! oh no! stop this! etc

― imago, Saturday, August 30, 2014 4:36 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i fold

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/aez0sgfqssu2ciqlu9ig.jpg

i know the convo has moved on at this point, but what's the story behind the hdboyz video linked upthread? it's brilliant

Rolling Worst Music of 2011 iirc.

the hdboyz were all internet art/video art dudes, it was started by noted asshole ryder ripps. seemed super weak to me even as an art project. see also yentech (also hyped by dis magazine)

she should collab with boddika

https://twitter.com/shmuraya/status/603272486042611712

yep

gfoty seems like an entirely redundant rehash of miss kittin's electroclash-era shtick without the music but with added racism and v pointless in an era of nell "hold my dick" diamond and the rich kids of instagram if one wants to laugh at un-self-aware caricatures of very rich people

otm, I've been equating PC Music with electroclash since it plopped, same thesis same class of creators same synapses of enjoyment. If anything tho, that association has made me slower to criticize PC Music, EC was fun and dumb and problematic-in-hindsight but was also just a bunch of stupid kids who made some tracks I still love and play out. When we say "nobody cares about PC Music in 2016" it's like yeah probably no nobody cared about Jeans Team in 2004 neither

imago, your whole theory about these are just kids learning the world man falls the fuck apart because their entire thing is WE ARE THE INTERNET ON THE THE INTERNET GUYS INTERNET and so they've probably encountered some progressive, non-racist politics on whatever kinja site they read

she should collab with boddika

and lest we forget it was very obliging of kozelek to open up the proceedings for international month of the bigoted dickhead

on whatever kinja site they read

― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 2:22 PM (5 minutes ago)

i have sincere <3 for both you and lj, but you're both competing for the gold medal in the self-clowning oven olympics right now

itt og plopping

Time for a new display name.

EC was fun and dumb and problematic-in-hindsight but was also just a bunch of stupid kids who made some tracks I still love and play out. When we say "nobody cares about PC Music in 2016" it's like yeah probably no nobody cared about Jeans Team in 2004 neither

mm i was thinking about that comparison and was electroclash actually that problematic? tbh you're right - all the fifth-tier electroclash acts evaporated from memory as soon as they existed, pretty much - and a lot of them everyone saw through instantly - and i guess electroclash as an era is looked on more favourably now because of a couple of key genuinely talented artists (felix da housecat obv, but miss kittin was a bit of a plot twist) and anthems like "emerge" that still hold up

The aesthetic focus on body-positivity, and generally equal footing for female and queer voices divested EC itself in my view, but it was still garbagey music made by garbage kids with garbage ideas and not a small amount of genre-appropriation. At least an afternoon of classic tracks though

What was the genre appropriation in electroclash? I'm not familiar with the term.

electroclash got a huge amount of backlash for being 'fake', 'disingenuous', 'a flash-in-the-pan fad' at the time and yet somehow it left a much deeper impression on the decade that followed, long after people stopped using it as a term.

i guess it was taking the futurism from electro and leaving the afro- behind?

garbagey music made by garbage kids with garbage ideas and not a small amount of genre-appropriation

all pop music from the beginning of time IIRC

For what it's worth - electroclash was coined by Larry Tee and associated with those NYC parties initially, but was also a convergence of a bunch of broader trends and styles from indie/queer/feminist stuff like Le Tigre and Peaches, italo/electro revival from I-F or International DJ Gigolos and a turn to "80s" pop in general dance scenes, and had a big influence almost immediately.

PC Music feels really small by comparison; if anything, I see it as capitalizing (belatedly) on vaporwave styles or James Ferraro/Oneohtrix Point Never by adding some vocals and 90s Swedish pop influences.

I wouldn't even care about it not being groundbreaking, if it was at least exciting or interesting. Or in any way appealing. The collective persona of PC Music strikes me as pretty contemptuous.

I wouldn't even care about it not being groundbreaking, if it was at least exciting or interesting. Or in any way appealing.

Yeah this is how I feel really. Wasn't aware of the background to electroclash, I haven't thought about electroclash in a long time even though I liked/like a lot of the music!