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also nakh I'm not getting pissed off about that, I'm getting pissed off because of what I see as pernicious trends in cultural argument regarding authenticity and emotion. the best pc music stuff makes me feel great and it is not liked for its 'intellectual properties', it is just rly thrilling for me

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:52 (5 minutes ago)

and he is getting somewhat less pissed off about what he sees as pernicious trends in cultural valuation, but he is mostly confining it to this case where you are holding him responsible for things said by others about other things too

what are you to do when his probably misguided notions of 'real' etc and his possibly paranoid suspicion that the culture industry favours good connections and minstrelsy are really affirmed in the case of people like gfoty?

sorry that is just how you feel about pc music though

not 'bent out of shape' goole, all i'm saying is that those two specific things i mentioned aren't true. they're not even major points either so that's why i'm brushing them off.

it was a general "you"

my bad

"but 'conceptual' and 'mysterious' usually turn out to be an abdication of responsibility"

this is p heavy

just dialed up lotic's music, holy shit. thanks lex!

do people think that authenticity automatically means something is more emotional?

lord

Maybe just maybe the bigger picture here is less the brutal assault on conceptual dance music that has been launched on one persons Facebook post and more "whoops, oh shit, this person I liked appears to be a jerk bag racist" but hey we all pick our battles I guess

Remember when four brown people made experimental electronic music earlier this year, and it was written off months before this racist pachinko machine music

― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

might this possibly be because they released their album months before pc music

or are you telling me, as an editor, that you'd have commissioned a piece slagging off a bunch of bullshit artists before they'd released anything peg-worthy, because if you are then why didn't tell me at the time

the best pc music stuff makes me feel great and it is not liked for its 'intellectual properties', it is just rly thrilling for me

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:52 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the way the pc music defence oscillates between "it's so clever conceptually and that's why it stands out" and "it's not about the concept it's all about the music maaaaan" with barely a decent pause for breath

"but 'conceptual' and 'mysterious' usually turn out to be an abdication of responsibility"

this is p heavy

― goole, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:29 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and not the first time this year, cf that jungle band. faux-mystique suckers people in when all it ends up meaning is that someone has something they want to hide

his possibly paranoid suspicion that the culture industry favours good connections and minstrelsy are really affirmed in the case of people like gfoty?

sorry that is just how you feel about pc music though

― The Fields of Karlhenry (nakhchivan), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:20 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the kind of suspicion that always makes one feel paranoid but the good connections you find out about just make you realise things do in fact operate like this much more than you knew: in this case, there's the obvious link between the editor who commissioned and edited (or didn't edit) this piece being on good enough friendship terms with gfoty to call her "babes" in casual text messages, and the fact that this entire piece has nothing to do with her music but is simply set up to reinforce her status as an important cultural figure of 2015 etc etc

the way the pc music defence oscillates between "it's so clever conceptually and that's why it stands out" and "it's not about the concept it's all about the music maaaaan" with barely a decent pause for breath

lol or ppl simultaneously hold the opinions that i. the concept is interesting ii. the music is ... also interesting

apart from the usual social media approbation loop that sarah identifies, probably the main problem with lotic's argument is that for all their good connections pc music really aren't all that favoured -- this racist shithead has a wikipedia page longer than that of the average early netherlandish painter or epl footballer but has only today crossed 5k twitter followers thanks to this racist episode

so other than being the fact magazine #1 label of 2014 they are not really coining it in

anyway, i will believe you lj when you say you sincerely likes this stuff but i suspect the gap between why you like things and why you purport to like them is often quite large: even bad art works mysteriously

here's the obvious link between the editor who commissioned and edited (or didn't edit) this piece being on good enough friendship terms with gfoty to call her "babes" in casual text messages

― lex pretend, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:39 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you'd think this but this is not always the case

maybe even that, i'm blowing my own mind here, the ways the concept is interesting ... reinforce the ways the music is interesting ... and vice versa ... shit ...

the way the pc music defence oscillates between "it's so clever conceptually and that's why it stands out" and "it's not about the concept it's all about the music maaaaan" with barely a decent pause for breath

― lex pretend, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:34 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people ultimately only (deeply) like music for 'the music alone' though so the underlying sentiment seems true of all conceptual music. no one keeps listening to music because of a specific concept; people who hated what the new kendrick lamar album sounded like didn't keep listening to it because everything else about the album was interesting just like how people don't keep listening to experimental music if they don't find it sonically interesting. yea a concept can be 'clever' and make something 'stand out' but i don't think that that's usually at the core of why anyone loves art. maybe i'm wrong but that's generally what i've seen.

i guess this is maybe more specific to music though since it's really easy to engage with it passively which then puts more emphasis on the visceral experience

Imagine PC Music sans conceptual baggage.

So, Max Tundra then?

Nah, he's resurrected Daphne & Celeste, def conceptual, he's off the list

Maybe he could dabble in some racism to clinch his spot

I hate everything that happened in this thread.

Sonically it's Hixxy and Sharky vs Aqua.

Sending my apologies to Greer.

Greer otm. You're all terrible people and so am i

burn it down greer

this thread has been removed because it's fucking awful

man it's weird that Lotic (whose work I love and have been checking for for the last 5 years at least) is seemingly having his biggest exposure yet from a Facebook post.

Weird

Went to see him last week w/ vessel and there were only 30-40 or people there :(

https://twitter.com/pcmus/status/608257022891585538

That tweet is meant to be some sort of piece of conceptual irony, right?

This Death Grips song sums up the whole PC Music aesthetic in less than three minutes and has the advantage of not being boring bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-c-zfOWmys

gfoty seems like an entirely redundant rehash of miss kittin's electroclash-era shtick without the music but with added racism and v pointless in an era of nell "hold my dick" diamond and the rich kids of instagram if one wants to laugh at un-self-aware caricatures of very rich people

OTM. I hadn't made the connection with Miss Kittin.

who was that home counties girl who did the spoken word over laptop casio thing a couple of years ago?

george pringle

https://twitter.com/SubvioletRcrds/status/608283452551643136?s=17

Never lose your charm, gfoty

tick.jpg lj

At the beginning of 2010, she supported the French band Air on the European leg of their tour.

Based in London, she has released 2 critically acclaimed LPs to date. "Salon des Refuses". (a conceptual poetry album) and "Golfo dei Poeti",( a conceptual soundtrack album).

George is currently an MA student at Goldsmiths University.
Releases

"Golfo dei Poeti" (album), March 2013 (self released) "Salon des Refusés", September 2009 (self released)
"LCD, I love you, but you're bringing me down", Sept 2008 (Trouble Records) "Poor Ep. poor EP without a name", March 2008 (self released)

It's no more than an unoriginal and meaningless mish-mash of the Would-be-goods and the Doodlebops imho. They are not even half as subversive as they think they are because it's all been done before by others. Fans of this are even more as self-deluded and culturally stunted as the people who make it. There's no need for this music when people could be listening to *insert random act*.

is that a serious comment

About as serious as anything else on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLvp630plc#t=72

everything -- Maybe I'm inferring incorrectly but it sounds like you're implying that people should only listen to 'original' music? no one does that. And I'd say fans are less self-deluded and more so unaware of the acts that apparently make PC Music obsolete. There's a lot of bickering about how PC Music is unoriginal and not enough people posting examples of similar music that they should instead be listening to instead, a lot of which can be accomplished by talking about their influences. I posted some stuff upthread before the whole gfoty thing but, for example, I'd say it's pretty safe to say that someone AG Cook is clearly influenced by Scritti Politti, Frank Zappa's synclavier music, and Nancarrow's player piano pieces.

That 'culturally stunted' comment is silly. From your point of view it sounds like music is a competition for who can have the most cultural capital.

IT'S AN ELEPHANT YOU FUCKERS, AN ELEPHANT

ok fine, apologia time

while not entirely or rather unqualifiably white (cypriot) and while not entirely wealthy (scholarship kid) I grew up around white privilege, as many of my unfortunate early ILX encounters demonstrated

I said reprehensible & stupid shit and got ripped to pieces for it, but I didn't hide from this, with the result that the stupid shit I say now is considerably less stupid than the stupid shit I said then

GFOTY and PC Music as a whole might well be from a milieu of white privilege, and sure they might say stupid shit sometimes, but they are young, very young, and in their response to this furore they show the signs of wanting to reverse-engineer that privilege, just as I've been doing for the last 8 to 9 years

now because they are young they run the risk of saying something edgy which perhaps partially succeeds in its objective of zinging those from their milieu who are still ignorant and culturally bankrupt but crucially unearths a secondary objective they are unaware of: don't use deprivileged cultural signifiers as objects in your grand play or you'll exoticise them and emphasise your own privilege, not to mention offend everyone in sight

thus did gfoty fail, and thus did she suffer, deservingly. thus did she face the suffering, and perhaps thus did she learn

however, the court of ilx has seen fit to dismiss her as a terrible racist, and dismiss her crew as...well, many things

I'm not defending what she wrote. I castigate it in the highest terms. I think she's an idiot. However, I empathise with her. I have been an idiot too, a similar idiot. As have all of you, admittedly not all from such a privileged milieu, but all from a position of thinking you've got culture nailed when you hadn't considered another angle. Is some empathy too much to ask for?

By the way if AG Cook was really only able to draw a crowd of 50-odd people at a festival as hipster-saturated as Field Day then PC Music is completely culturally irrelevant and doesn't deserve a fraction of the column inches it's been drawing so far. Even if he was on at 11am or up against the headliner.

I mean unless he usually plays to packed out crowds in Croydon or Hull or somewhere, which I doubt.

Sophie sold out a pretty big club here in Vancouver last year. People here put it on the breakcore/jumpstyle continuum rather than a subversion of pop music or whatever the fuck y'all think it is.