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"straight white" is that fancy espresso drink you guys are always drinking over there, right?

this thread sure is hard to follow

PoC Music

there are a number of posters on this thread who are couching their dislike in statements like "art student blather" and various assumptions about "contempt" and industry-related things and what thinkpieces have been written. there are others that are honest and straightforward about what they like and what they don't like, and some ambivalence. I think the questioning of whether someone can "authentically" find this music "fun" was a low point.

reactionary and conservative comment had nothing to do with the racism -- pertained to the thread prior to that

― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:54 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not even going to touch 90% of the latest fun developments in this barrel-o-fun thread, but it doesn't make someone automatically dishonest if what they like and dislike is informed by industry-related things, or what they've read, or even art student blather (which I do have time for, to a point!) disingenuous, maybe, but I don't see that here.

though it's probably a mistake to ask for much after someone compared a facebook post to jihad

do you know what jihad means

Do you?

struggle iirc

good work wikipedia brown

lj, you know lotic's own work is highly conceptual (while also being visceral, heartfelt, etc).

I might check it out, hopefully it's a bit more thought-through than his facebook rants

katherine I've been tutoring a kid in GCSE religious studies, no fronting ffs

"rants"

his/her/their idk

lex that is a rant & that is the nicest way to frame it because we all say dumb shit when we're angry

I couldn't tell you were angry

More rants from Lotic please, don't care if the semantics of the rhetoric don't add up to all-things-being-equal, master's tools etc.

The fact that ILX — an 11-year-old site that lived through chillwave and witch house — engaged with this garbage at all is some real "fool me thrice, shame on us all"

Like, you all knew how this story would end, right?

All stories end with WGW saying "told you so"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't worry, these cretinous yawpers will disappear once their gap yah's over

I like their music. It is fun. Wouldn't listen to it every day though. Racists and homophobes can do one.

lotic's third para is seriously pissing me off

this binarising of music that is 'vapid and conceptual' and music that is 'reserved for genuine expressions of emotion and feeling' strikes me as terribly reductive and even dangerous, especially when there's an implicit parallel along racial and sexual lines

extremely dismissive ('merely a vapid art school project by a handful of rich kids') and maybe that's to be expected after an incident of racial idiocy and apparently unchecked privilege but this argument makes me deeply uncomfortable. i get that it's subjective but i also don't get how liking pc music is at the expense of real music by real poc or queers? plenty of listening to go around in 2k15

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 09:21 (6 hours ago)

idk who lotic is, or what music he or anyone else would hold as being antinomial to pc music

even so he is clearly particularizing his argument to pc music and whichever other fellow travellers in the world of conceptual minstrelsy

he even makes a defence of 'conceptualism' in the general instance to make this clear

so whilst you can say the art/soul vapid/real divide is usually fatuous, which it is, in this instance he is describing it does rather seem to hold; racist idiots get admiring copy while music he likes doesn't

music without a single leaf or branch is bound to involve self-importance and racism, this is why its best to steer clear of larger urban areas and hope they dont pollute the rivers or canals with it. As they have unlimited amounts of money there is very little we can do to protect ourselves from their presence

Do you guys have a vetting system, like a ticklist or something you do before you check out a piece of music?

Yes

If i have read about it or heard someone talk about it, then it is garbage

invariably

its best just not to know

lex that is a rant & that is the nicest way to frame it because we all say dumb shit when we're angry

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:11 (40 minutes ago)

no it isn't, his tone is mostly quite equable, he gets less 'pissed off' about racism and marginalization than you do about the (largely mistaken) belief that the shit 'conceptual' music you like is being written off en masse

Remember when four brown people made experimental electronic music earlier this year, and it was written off months before this racist pachinko machine music

Also, love the fake outrage and shame from Vice, who literally made $1.5B off the back of like a decade of ironic racism

no defending Vice, or GFOTY's humour choices

What four brown ppl?

i think they go by Present Brown now

Don't the same people who like Future Brown like PC Music, roughly speaking? Lex hates both of them at any rate, and for similar reasons.

also nakh I'm not getting pissed off about that, I'm getting pissed off because of what I see as pernicious trends in cultural argument regarding authenticity and emotion. the best pc music stuff makes me feel great and it is not liked for its 'intellectual properties', it is just rly thrilling for me

Anyway Future Brown is boring while PC Music is annoying. Crucial difference.

PC music isn't very PC

Can't we have a world where we can like PC Music and Dawn Richard

no

PC Music, Dawn Richard and Depeche Mode

"pc music, which is neither pc nor music"

how do I RT a post

how many more iterations of that joke are we looking at, here

"the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago)
Posted: June 9, 2015 at 10:38:19 AM
no defending Vice, or GFOTY's humour choices"

Yeah see part of the problem here is that you still define this as her "humor" which at best means you still don't understand the situation, or at worst makes you complicit in the hand waving excuse train.

people have historically lionized big personalities and concepts throughout all genres of music but was/is pc music praised to save clubs? kind of confused by that. yea people overanalyze music but i mean the same thing happened with Heterocetera and to a lesser extent his mix from last year. the whole "congratulating mediocrity" bit reeks of the "fans of X or Y only like it ironically" sentiment that gets thrown around. third paragraph is a mess, don't understand how anyone could think no PoC or queer person cared about PC Music or Ten Walls (that EP on Innervisions was popular) and then it concludes by suggesting music is the only art form left for 'expression of emotion or feeling' :| it's obviously a personal/emotional write-up so whatever

sorry just rambling some thoughts on the lotic piece not really replying to anyone.
also, yeah i'd say it's safe to assume people who like future brown like pc music and vice versa, generally speaking. personally dislike future brown but like pc music.

how the f are you bent out of shape about the 3rd paragraph after reading the 4th and 5th

forget it, goole; it's jaggertown

also nakh I'm not getting pissed off about that, I'm getting pissed off because of what I see as pernicious trends in cultural argument regarding authenticity and emotion. the best pc music stuff makes me feel great and it is not liked for its 'intellectual properties', it is just rly thrilling for me

― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:52 (5 minutes ago)

and he is getting somewhat less pissed off about what he sees as pernicious trends in cultural valuation, but he is mostly confining it to this case where you are holding him responsible for things said by others about other things too

what are you to do when his probably misguided notions of 'real' etc and his possibly paranoid suspicion that the culture industry favours good connections and minstrelsy are really affirmed in the case of people like gfoty?

sorry that is just how you feel about pc music though

not 'bent out of shape' goole, all i'm saying is that those two specific things i mentioned aren't true. they're not even major points either so that's why i'm brushing them off.

it was a general "you"

my bad

"but 'conceptual' and 'mysterious' usually turn out to be an abdication of responsibility"

this is p heavy

just dialed up lotic's music, holy shit. thanks lex!