♥☮☯♫ PC MUSIC ♫☯☮♥ ☺☺☺ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°✌

someday my grandkids will ask me where I was when gfoty sent a racist tweet that mentioned bombay bicycle club

feel like the diabetes dngaf about vice or pc music - can't even imagine this is on their radar

cmon mordy ppl need this story!

it was more gfoty tried to call bombay bicycle club out on racism, got her feet in a tangle and ended up shooting the racism ball past her own social media goalkeeper, just in time for the women's world cup, while vice acted like utter cunts about it all with no shred of propriety

Eh I was just thinking outloud about the dudes on Twitter going 'hey awesome apology' and speculating that it's not really up to them to accept it

Pissy music.

The rampant Tory persona was bad enough, the grotesquery just about made it surreal enough, this is fucking pitiful.

delightful, Morbsian, house, music xp

Jesus, LJ, don't try to make excuses. This is unfunny idiocy and even with the apology is fucking awful. She's a fucking idiot. I'm not going to suddenly be "oh no I hate PC Music and refuse to dance to it ever" but just let a terrible thing be a terrible thing without trying to justify it.

no i know! it's quite possible to be a complete idiot & a propagator of awful racist 'comedy' while the intention is quite different. she played with fire while covered in the petrol of unexamined privilege & got deservedly burned. or in your words, acted the fucking idiot.

i've said racially moronic things on ilx in my younger days & learned from it (thanks to ilx's unambiguous response). she will too (one hopes).

it doesn't matter what her intention is

turns out this music might not be so PC after all

okay lol

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oh haha i thought someone had registered that dn name for the sake of the gag but .. ru actually james brooks?

who's james brooks

lmao

*stands and applauds lotic*

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Ten Walls was probably as big as any European house producer among black British audiences - Walking With Elephants in particular gained traction in places you would never have expected an Innervisions related producer to.

But then he's not particularly high concept either and there was nothing ironic about what he said, he's just a bigot and a cretin.

lotic isn't talking about ten walls except as an aside?

He conflates them together in a few places and they shouldn't really be except as examples of basically inconsequential musicians saying bigoted shit.

pretty sure you can explore a concept and genuinely express emotion and/or feeling at the same time. There's so much false dichotomizing in this thread.

lotic's third para is seriously pissing me off

this binarising of music that is 'vapid and conceptual' and music that is 'reserved for genuine expressions of emotion and feeling' strikes me as terribly reductive and even dangerous, especially when there's an implicit parallel along racial and sexual lines

extremely dismissive ('merely a vapid art school project by a handful of rich kids') and maybe that's to be expected after an incident of racial idiocy and apparently unchecked privilege but this argument makes me deeply uncomfortable. i get that it's subjective but i also don't get how liking pc music is at the expense of real music by real poc or queers? plenty of listening to go around in 2k15

oh sarahell said exactly the same thing lol

"who doesn't know who toumani diabeté is?"

hm

anyway, hands up if you have ever listened to elvis costello

ppl like lotic prolly need to drop any pretence of balanced analysis and admit that they're fighting jihad

is that supposed to be balanced analysis, though? it reads like preaching to the choir, which presumably it is, being a social media post?

But the fifth paragraph is basically saying he isn't making that false binary.

while continuing to make it, yeah

I get that it's important to consider the feelings of wounded art-school pranksters here.

god art-school pranksters, up there with Hitler in terms of people with whom we shouldn't associate right?

#notallartschoolpranksters

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it just amazes me how reactionary and conservative ilx can be.

The thing is, you're turning his justified outrage against racist and homophobic comments into an opportunity to get defensive about people who, unless they are actually Ten Walls or a member of PC Music, aren't even under attack. He's allowed not to be interested in music by straight white people.

no one is getting defensive here, Matt. No one here is defending Ten Walls or GFOTY. lex posted a screenshot of lotic's post saying it was otm, and lj and I disagreed with some of what was said. Also, how it mirrors various opinions that have posed a lot of false dichotomies and binaries.

that have been posed in this thread.

(That was really addressed to LJ, using words like "dangerous" in this context when really it's anything but)

i think any kind of blanket bias & propagation of cultural false binaries is dangerous, especially when it leads to the implicit demonisation of stuff i like ;)

i guess the question is what is endangered?

a whole generation of bright-eyed progressives fighting the wrong battles? lol

i feel that ilx at its best does a good job of making me (and others) tease out the ideology from the aesthetic, and requires honesty when it comes to projecting distasteful politics and ideology onto things that i dislike aesthetically, because bad politics and ideology make for stronger arguments as to something's repellence. And vice versa, when it comes to excusing repellent ideological connotations of things i like aesthetically.

This thread is far far far from ilx at its best.

Hmmm... disagree, this thread is mainly about the things you apparently value about ILM. Last time I checked, the discussion of PC Music here is primarily about their cultural politics and aesthetics.

Also, please explain how condemnation of casual racism is reactionary and conservative, idgi.

there are a number of posters on this thread who are couching their dislike in statements like "art student blather" and various assumptions about "contempt" and industry-related things and what thinkpieces have been written. there are others that are honest and straightforward about what they like and what they don't like, and some ambivalence. I think the questioning of whether someone can "authentically" find this music "fun" was a low point.

reactionary and conservative comment had nothing to do with the racism -- pertained to the thread prior to that

i just looked up the ten walls thing and man, that's a whole other ballgame

Yeah, the Ten Walls thing is really vile. I was unfortunately a bit obsessed with it yesterday, like disaster tourism.

re: sarahell - OK, still don't get what's reactionary and conservative - unless you're suggesting that PC Music is somehow progressive...

thanks for putting it so well, sarahell - and yes, entirely agree that ilx's ideological catechism can help to frame aesthetics in a more coherent and insightful way, and even help to shape them - it has done so for me, and i'm very grateful

I was unfortunately a bit obsessed with it yesterday, like disaster tourism.

like watching a man's career being fed slowly through the chipper

It's also a question of which artists are awarded respect/credibility almost by default and which artists have to "earn" it - straight white dudes who went to art school are almost always in the former camp (initially at least, it can always be taken away). It's neither reactionary nor conservative to want to interrogate that, especially if it's coming from gay black artists (almost always in the latter group).