Because neither of them seem to want to is the answer to that one!
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 6 June 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
I would buy an album from this guy if it was 40 minutes of the most atmospheric/ambient parts from 90s SP with no recycled riffs or singing
that would actually be p awesome. smashing pumpkins never bettered Drown.
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Saturday, 6 June 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
there was some moment in the 90s when one of the station IDs on the alt-rock station played like a tiny blurt of some song, still unknown to me, which i suspect had to be sonic youth or MBV, but which i, with my limited knowledge, could only guess was smashing pumpkins. in hindsight, the better fanbase-shedding, career-shedding move, cred-wise would have been to totally swing in this direction, worry less about hooks, choruses, singing, and just really go in for the wash of guitars: soaring, crashing, murmuring, trembling. the endlessly overdubbed guitars on siamese dream are so expressive and suggestive, much moreso than billy's lyrics (especially post-adore) which tended so much towards the obvious and melodramatic that it got hard to feel anything listening to the records.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 June 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
By the way, the band will no doubt get voted into the Rock and Roll HOF next year. I assume we can expect Billy will want to play with the current line-up (whatever it is at the time) and freeze out the original members. Let's not forget he has recently dubbed James a "piece of s---" and Jimmy a "f---ing liar." Charming.
However, it would be awesome to see the four of them get along and play a couple old tunes.
― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 09:59 (eight years ago) link
ooh, good point. Chamberlain in particular is such a crucial component of their success, it'd be a bummer if Billy freezes him out like that.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
Wow, I had no idea how messed up D'Arcy had gotten over the years. Sad.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:12 (eight years ago) link
Billy and Jimmy have long since made peace. Lots of rumors that he's drumming on the new SP record. I think Matt Walker is more likely, but if SP is inducted next year, Billy will go with Jimmy or alone. James hurt Billy deeply in his heart by not saying goodbye after the last Metro show in 2000. Billy will do everything he can to keep James out of it, as if James has any interest. Billy would take the stage with D'arcy if she was capable. Mellon Colle and the Infinite Sadness indeed!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
James hurt Billy deeply in his heart
still funny
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
I saw some scary photos recently, but where have y'all gotten your D'arcy news?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link
i'm friends with her on facebook
― flappy bird, Thursday, 11 June 2015 08:51 (eight years ago) link
Say what you will, but she spun a nasty Twister wheel back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPMdvnC6ldc
(I love how Kurt volunteers at around 1:10.)
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 11 June 2015 10:01 (eight years ago) link
Chamberlain rejoining the band (even if he's not yet committed beyond their current dates) has seriously reinvigorated my interest in the band over the last couple of weeks.
Sounding great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpDHl1BlpBshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zch5JVN1uFg
― Birds in Hell, Friday, 10 July 2015 10:09 (eight years ago) link
show in camden was great. JC is joining the house band on Seth Meyers' show tonight, dunno for how long. he tweeted that there might be a "pumpkin gem" in the set. i think he means Ruby
― flappy bird, Monday, 17 August 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12108956_10153620687506397_5401487902949253546_n.jpg?oh=b6069b84c461a6a2b01c29cd12aa5810&oe=56C491DD
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 19 October 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link
There was the same headline in a free recipe book with my veggie box delivery last week.
― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 09:56 (eight years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/article/mellon-collie-foretold-both-glory-and-doom-smashin-226274
"Porcelina" is a high point of the record, if you ask me, but oh well. And the cover of the album....I guess it's an iconic image at this point twenty years on, but man it is gorgeous.
― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 10:16 (eight years ago) link
i didnt notice the angel was masturbating until a couple years ago
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
LOL at anyone who considers fucking Bullet the "high point" of MCIS, and thinks Porcelina is an energy sapper....NEXT!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
"the unabashedly rockist 'Muzzle'".... yeah, it's a fucking rock song! christ
idek what rockist means in that context
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
to single out "porcelina" and "ruby" as slogs is to fundamentally misunderstand this record i think?
absolutely! they're the high-watermarks of SP1!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
I don’t want this album viewed as an artistic failure publicly. And the way that it will be viewed as an artistic failure publicly is if it doesn’t sell.
billy otm, statement borne out by the "failure" of adore. actually kind of surprised at the lack of petulance in that quote, given most every other corgan interview i've skimmed
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
'Porcelina of the Vast Oceans' and 'Thru the Eyes of Ruby' are two of my personal highlights of this record and I don't find them slogs at all. I think Brad is totally OTM. I've also never understood the huge fuss over 'Bullet with Butterfly Wings' and '1979' either - I like both plenty, but I consider neither to be highlights. I'd go as far as saying '1979' is one of the most overrated Pumpkins tracks ever, actually.
― Turrican, Saturday, 24 October 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
i believe it to be their very best, but i guess it's overrated if you say so
― brimstead, Saturday, 24 October 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link
idk i have a hard time seeing mellon collie as anything other than the peak of 90s alt rock. and i'm not even a big smashing pumpkins fan.
― J. Sam, Sunday, 25 October 2015 01:04 (eight years ago) link
"Porcelina" sounds as big as its full title implies, and I love it for that reason.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 October 2015 04:35 (eight years ago) link
the thing about it being the peak of '90s rock is i consider the last five tracks to be a deliberate troll of '90s rock
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 25 October 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link
yeah I don't really think there's any precedent for a RAWK album that ends with five basically guitar-free ballads, nor anyone who's been foolish enough to try that since
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 25 October 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
Anyone else excited for the second leg of the IN PLAINSONG tour? With a 7-8 suite of Siamese Dream songs in the middle! Check out this setlist from one of the shows last year, with the Adore suite in the middle:
Tonight, Tonight99 FloorsTodayMy Poor Troubled Heart (traditional)DorianFor Your LoveDrum + FifeA Stitch in TimeMayonaisePrairie SongJersey ShoreSparrowPerfectTo SheilaBehold! the Night MareFor MarthaBlissed and GoneAva AdoreNow (And Then)The Crying Tree of Mercury1979Run2MePinwheelsStand Inside Your LoveLandslide (Nicks)A New Poetry---SpaceboyEl-A-Noy---Cardinal Rule
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:42 (eight years ago) link
SparrowPerfectTo SheilaBehold! the Night MareFor MarthaBlissed and GoneAva Adore
fuck
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
right?? and there are far fewer SD-era songs that work acoustically, so that pretty much guarantees we'll get Luna and Spaceboy along with Disarm and Today. We could get the first performances of Sweet Sweet since 1994! I made a list of all the possible SD-era songs they could do in this format:
SootheLunaSweet Sweet DisarmTodayRocketSpaceboyObscuredWhirGlynisBlissedSmileyApathy's Last KissSoma? (they did it in 96)Hummer? (did it in 93)Moleasskiss? (kind of a stretch but i could see him working it out, such a killer song, a lost classic, could've been a single)
Mayonaise could work acoustically, but I never need to hear that song again. Hoping Bill digs deep like he did last year with the Adore material (Sparrow???!!)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link
please please please let "obscured" happen
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:59 (eight years ago) link
obscured is the best song
― example (crüt), Friday, 5 February 2016 00:18 (eight years ago) link
Always loved "Whir." In 1994 I was 12 and I thought that songs like that were what college kids listened to. It's got that college-y, angsty, Gen-X-y feel that we've all come to know and love. "Obscured" is so great, though.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 5 February 2016 09:47 (eight years ago) link
gonna keep this streak alive and give a nice big shout out to my jam "obscured"
― billstevejim, Friday, 5 February 2016 10:11 (eight years ago) link
I never cared for "Apathy's Last Kiss," but this rough mix without all the flanger/chorus/phaser is really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8sue6FKHBM
― flappy bird, Friday, 5 February 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
Cardinal RuleStumbleineTonight, TonightWorld's FairSpace Oddity [David Bowie cover]Thirty-threeJesus, I / Mary Star of the SeaMayonaiseSomaRocketSpaceboyTodayWhir [live premiere]DisarmSorrows (In Blue)EyeSaturnine [live premiere]Identify1979Stand Inside Your LovePinwheelsLily (My One and Only)Malibu [Hole cover]Spaniards [live premiere]---Angie [The Rolling Stones cover]Amarinthine [live premiere]
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 14:44 (eight years ago) link
IDENTIFY??!??!????!!???!?
wacky
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link
God, imagine Corgan doing the vowel-mangling bit on Angie. *shudder*
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link
I'm stoked on MARY STAR OF THE SEA - easily the best song on the Zwan album. Best Zwan song though will forever be CHRYSANTHEMUM
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link
a Flood-produced version of Identify with Bill on vocals leaked recently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDwW4yFj-dE
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link
Corgan's voice is really similar to Jagger's!
― lute bro (brimstead), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link
He's like batshit wild man jagger
― lute bro (brimstead), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link
Tape Op article on the history of Smashing Pumpkins in the studio is pretty amazing
http://tapeop.com/interviews/115/smashing-pumpkins-a-studio-history/
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
I appreciate how they're all pretty much acknowledging that in the studio the band was a duo.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 September 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
yeah that struck me and not just coming from Billy acting like a dick but all the producers p much just talk as if it was billy and jimmy only
i really dug the part about chamberlain having to move drums around his kit to physically perform a beat corgan had cooked up on the drum machine
also 30 days to do Gish! that was kind of a crazy investment on an underground band in those days
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link
Well they were already signed to Virgin and the record came out on Caroline for that underground cred, man, etc. etc. But the point still holds, that's a pretty big indulgence for a band that just had the couple of singles out at that time. Were times just more flush in general as we keep hearing or did someone in the Virgin corporate structure figure this was a solid bet from the start?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 September 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, definitely an interesting read. I skimmed once it hit Zeitgeist of course.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 September 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
Well they were already signed to Virgin and the record came out on Caroline for that underground cred, man, etc. etc.
ah i didn't know that so i guess it worked...but yeah then i guess it's probably not as big a deal...1990-91 I'd imagine everyone is pretty much swimming in cassette/ascendent CD market money, but yeah I thought with Caroline that's staking a pretty big bet
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link