so... leo kottke for depressive gen xers
yeeeah this guy is not for me
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
Ha! not quite but alright.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
I think Kozelek fans are quite divided on what the best stuff is. Could never get into much beyond the first Sun Kil Moon album. I might try a few more things but for me nothing beats the atmospheric, obsessive emotional outpouring of the first few Red House Painters releases. That stuff is fucking magic. I think in a few ways his style was almost reversed, kinda like David Byrne's singing voice.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
I love Red House Painters as well. I just felt it made more sense to link some nice Sun Kil Moon songs to show the contrast it has to his recent stuff under the same name. I feel like he should have moved onto his third moniker now given how different he sounds now.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
oops meant to delete that first "now"
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
I think in a few ways his style was almost reversed, kinda like David Byrne's singing voice.
Legitimately curious about this sentence. Do you mean his songwriting, or his actual voice?
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
In the case of Byrne, just his voice. It became very relaxed. I prefer Byrne's nervy voice in early Talking Heads but I think in his later style he occasionally did some beautiful things he never would have done before. Like in The Forest.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
For Kozelek the newer stuff sounds more easy going, even when sad and he might be meticulous about the writing it still sounds off the cuff by comparison. I probably said this above but on a lot of the earliest RHP stuff, everything sounds like it's been bottled up for ages then all let out. In songs like "Medicine Bottle", every breath sounds precious.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
In early Sun Kil Moon times he talked about making his lyrics more ambiguous as opposed to the diary style of RHP but from the way people are talking it sounds like he's more diaristic again.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
I see what you mean now, thanks for the reply!
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
It's interesting that Robert allows the possibility that Kozelek may be being meticulous in his writing because ... I find it very difficult to believe that's the case (though may very well be possible).
― djh, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
pretty much "diary diarrhea" in the new one
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
I feel like he should have moved onto his third moniker now given how different he sounds now.
He's going by Ehhhhhh, Really, Mark? now
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 12:27 (nine years ago) link
"is this guy a serious alcoholic maybe? this behavior is giving off a vibe that is familiar to me"
he was certainly sent to rehab when he was young but more likely for drug things, not sure. I'm relatively positive i've seen him drinking in SF but I've never seen him drunk but I also haven't seen him out in years.
I still like his stuff through Leaves. Don't get the Benji love and don't plan on listening to this. Haven't liked him live since RHP split anyway.
― akm, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
yeah this is super disappointing, perils from the sea was such a tremendous case for his new songwriting style but benji only had 1 song that touched anything on that record ('i saw the film the song remains the same') and this record doesn't seem to have anything going for it at all
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
I always loved 2 old tracks by Sun Kil Moon. I dunno why everything else doesn't even come close to lifting me up like these 2. I guess they're just an anomaly. You might like them Οὖτις
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxBRqhIHsw0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjA3EbKsl4E
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link
hmm yeah I like that Pancho Villa one
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Here's a fun RHP rocker, and latter day RHP basically just feels indistinct from SKM/Kozelek solo anyhow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIamI0Va7g
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
Just trying more to bring attention to ideal Kozelek. So many people think his current schtick is somehow representative of overall output.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
yeah but isn't the problem that his current live set relies heavily on his recent output
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
Well sure, but I'm just trying to show that Benji-era doesn't represent the vast majority of his otherwise stellar discography.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
Nice track Evan. I like the My Bloody Valentine at 4:40 in Between Days
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I always got that vibe from it as well.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
"Between Days" is so great. a "Dancing Days" pastiche that somehow greatly surpasses the original
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
fuck is with this guy
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/04/i-interviewed-mark-kozelek-he-called-me-a-bitch-on-stage
― goole, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
He comes off like he's just been to some PUA asshole's negging seminar and is trying out his new-learned skillz
― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
some unchill maroon
― polyphonic, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
e harvey called him "indie rock's lester burnham" and it's a sad, well-fitting shoe
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:19 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea or he just watched this sequence a bunch of times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbanWHx5AFQ
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
god that movie is so bad
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
Feel a bit bemused that anyone is surprised he is a * dick *.
― djh, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:48 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u r bad
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
"Surprise" doesn't seem remotely like the accurate verb to describe people's reaction to this
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
Or adverb WHATEVER
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
pretty weird self-destructo thing happening though -- w/o all of this hoohah, the dude would be coasting on some of the best reviews of his career (maybe even the best sales?).
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
Adjective, right? Embarrassing but I'd feel worse if I was pretending to be more cynical than people who think kozelek's trip is an increasing bummer
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
Hearing from a lot of people that he is very nice 1 on 1 and nobody is quite sure why he chooses to come off this way in a public setting.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
More likely to get punched in the face 1 on 1
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
otm not as easy to say "It's a performance! I'm doing art!" when it's a 1 to 1 conversation
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
what happened to my kozelekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQWBTAt-xBI
― ciderpress, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
buzz kil buffoon
― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
As someone who knows virtually nothing about him he comes across like Ariel Pink to me, another resentful indie omega male puffed up by acclaim and turning that resentment outward as angry misogyny.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
Too bad because a ton of his albums are nuanced and smart and mature. Such a discrepancy from this behavior. His latest album matches well though.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
Kozelek is a manic depressive. It sounds like a hypomanic episode.
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
I don't think he is, though. He's been consistently, though increasingly, like this in a public setting for years. Even in the April-era you heard stories. And his lyrics have always revealed a potential for nastiness (e.g. the "mistress" character). What's puzzling is his apparent wish/compulsion to show off this side of himself in the limelight. However, it's reinforced by all the attention
― Mule, Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
Hmm this guy is obviously a complete shit but some of his friends think he isn't and also he sings songs
*thinks*
*thinks for ages*
― Vaguely Fettening WAPCHAS (wins), Thursday, 4 June 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, we should all probably stop wasting our valuable time on this particular thread on this vast internet music message board.
― Mule, Thursday, 4 June 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
seems kinda shitty to me that P-fork didn't report on this incidnt at all, considering the 12 fucking pieces they posted on the Koz/War on Drugs "feud"...thing
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link
Schreibs responded on FB.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
I was 100% onboard with him calling a bunch of hip urban 'new south' concertgoers hillbillies, because I hate Raleigh & thought it was a deliciously well-aimed jab (cf that Ben Folds Five song about trying to cover up your redneck past) but everything since then has made me want to to karate-kick his cranky ass into a garbage truck
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link