the thing w/ "Blow" was weird, like it was gonna be the pop radio single instead of "XO," which was never gonna work but i guess they thought it sounded enough like "Blurred Lines" to win that crowd
― some dude, Sunday, 31 May 2015 11:48 (nine years ago) link
country music borrowing from r'n'b
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/6582974/country-music-plumbs-the-history-of-soul-in-search-of-a-new-direction
See the first comment
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 June 2015 13:39 (nine years ago) link
cf.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr8fdnjDclU
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 June 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
the article gets at it, but country has long been super-appropriative of pop at the crossover level (two of Kenny Rogers' biggest hits were by Lionel Richie and Barry Gibb). in a sense i'm surprised it's taken country so long to have an overt hip-hop element. My suspicion is it has to do with Eminem hitting that 10-15 anniversary stretch.
― da croupier, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link
fyi this song is 11 years old: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_and_Over_%28Nelly_song%29
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
so's "save a horse (ride a cowboy)," almost!
to be clear, not saying country HASN'T acknowledged hip-hop until now, just that its getting kinda omnipresent rather than a novelty
― da croupier, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_%28Kid_Rock_song%29
hell, if you want to be cute about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil_Went_Down_to_Georgia
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
not being entirely serious obv
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
i was gonna say, i couldn't tell what you thought i was saying where any of this would be contradicting it
― da croupier, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
one hope is that with 2000 back in fashion kid rock will be inspired to relax his "boring son of ted nugent & bob seger" shtick and maybe write some funny raps again
― da croupier, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
Toby Keith's "I Wanna Talk About Me" came out in 2001 and is pretty much a rap song
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
and McGraw worked with Nelly again in 2012.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
(at that point I wasn't sure who was doing whom a favor)
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
but if we're playing the "who remembers a country song with a hip-hop element in it" game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtQJ9fqdV28
― da croupier, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
http://www.spin.com/2013/04/rap-country-uncomfortable-history-accidental-racist/
― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 June 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
okay "We got a funky new tune with a fly banjo" made me lol
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
also what the hell: 1997: Spearhead feat. Joan Osbourne - "Wayfaring Stranger"
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
spoken-word country songs have been a thing since the dawn of country music
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
My head spun when I saw the words "Imani Coppola"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
http://www.imanicoppola.com/
lol
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsqWUtzI_dw
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
^^ defines "check out my fly banjo"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
was putting "i poop in a clam" on her website her own decision?
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link
that DJ Quik sounds more like a santur than a banjo
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link
the top three songs in america -- and five of the top six -- are led by black men. if you count kendrick's verse on the "bad blood" remix then there is a black man on each of the top six songs on this week's chart
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:40 (nine years ago) link
he has two verses doesn't he? it's basically kendrick lamar feat. taylor swift
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 1 through 6
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
I think only two of those songs get airplay on urban stations, though?
― Evan R, Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
Oh, three I guess. I thought rap stations weren't playing that Wiz Khalifa song
― Evan R, Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
the wiz khalifa song is a pop-to-urban crossover radio-wise. it even went top 10 on the hot adult contemporary format before urban lol.
i stumbled across this article yesterday mentioning an emerging radio audience measurement device that would be competing w/ nielsen's ppm. ppm is the device that is mainly used now -- when it started getting put into use in the late 00s, ratings at many latin and urban stations were basically decimated immediately, which was obv controversial and delayed its rollout into many markets significantly. anyways i don't know much about the nitty-gritty of radio analytics so i have no idea how much is just hype/hot air, but the article makes it seem as tho the new competitor (voltair) may do a better job of measuring the audience for several stations that had been hurt by ppm in the past, at least well enough to convince some of the higher-ups at the stations. (the example they use is the smooth jazz format.)
idk here's the link http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/did-nielsen-kill-the-radio-star/
― dyl, Friday, 10 July 2015 04:50 (nine years ago) link
Now 1 through 7. http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
― skip, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
It would be cool if this extended to black women at all.
Sidenote: does radio play the Kendrick version of "Bad Blood" or the original?
― drown zoowap (The Reverend), Saturday, 1 August 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link
I've heard the Kendrick version a lot on radio. I imagine it depends on the format.
― Greer, Saturday, 1 August 2015 05:03 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I haven't heard it on the radio at all but I haven't listened to top 40 in quite a while.
― drown zoowap (The Reverend), Saturday, 1 August 2015 05:07 (nine years ago) link
here the adult contemporary stations play the sans-kendrick version and all the other stations that play it play the one with kendrick
― dyl, Saturday, 1 August 2015 06:21 (nine years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6649605/jill-scott-second-no-1-album-billboard-200-chart
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:35 (nine years ago) link
that was a bit of a shock.
Compare her streams (1.6 million) with Future at #2 (23 million)
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:39 (nine years ago) link
She has a considerable fan base -- adult R&B is for Jill Scott fans.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:41 (nine years ago) link
sure, but zero currently charting singles!
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
Her audience doesn't care for singles though.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
well clearly! it's just an interesting outlier.
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 04:47 (nine years ago) link
for a min there it looked like fifth harmony might get into the top 10. alas...
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 August 2015 05:12 (nine years ago) link
Purse too heavy.
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 05:29 (nine years ago) link
Fetty Wap The rapper's first three hits rank at Nos. 8, 9 & 11, equaling an honor previously earned only by the Fab Four.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6677761/hot-100-chart-moves-fetty-wap-beatles
― curmudgeon, Friday, 28 August 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
The Weeknd retains the #1 spot on the Billboard Top 200 for a second week based entirely on streaming and "album equivalent units." He sold 77,000 CDs, while the metal band Five Finger Death Punch sold 114,000 CDs (which puts them at the top of the separate Top Album Sales chart, with The Weeknd at #2). But because of "album equivalent units," his total was adjusted to 145,000, while theirs only climbed to 119,000.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 13 September 2015 23:30 (nine years ago) link
Chart News @chartnews 55s55 seconds agoBillboard On-Demand Songs: #1(=) What Do You Mean?, @justinbieber [9.5 million on-demand US streams]. *2 weeks at #1*
what is an on demand stream
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 September 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
it just means Spotify, Tidal, etc. stuff where you pick the song you're listening to. i think they specify 'on demand' to differentiate from internet radio stuff like Pandora that picks songs for you.
― some dude, Monday, 14 September 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
The entire top five on the Billboard 200 are R&B/hip-hop albums -- the first time the region has been dominated as such since the Jan. 13, 2007-dated chart. That week, Omarion’s 21 led the list, followed by Akon’s Konvicted, the Dreamgirls film soundtrack, Nas’ Hip Hop Is Dead and Young Jeezy’s The Inspiration.
― The Reverend, Monday, 12 October 2015 08:31 (eight years ago) link
2 interesting paragraphs from Chris Molanphy's contribution to the Slate critics roundtable on 2015 music
Back to R&B crossover: When we convened for the Music Club two years ago, I marveled that no black artists fronted a No. 1 hit in all of 2013—a historic Hot 100 first. In 2015, we appear to have already flipped that script: Except for a single week when the Hot 100 was commanded by the Biebs’ “What Do You Mean?” and for the past seven weeks by Adele’s “Hello,” every chart-topping hit this year was fronted or prominently supported by an artist of color: Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars’ “Uptown Funk” (a hit truly powered by Mars), Wiz Khalifa and Charlie Puth’s “See You Again,” Taylor Swift and Kendrick Lamar’s “Bad Blood” (without Lamar’s injection of B12 into the remix, the song might not have topped the chart), OMI’s “Cheerleader,” and the two big hits by the Weeknd, “Can’t Feel My Face” and “The Hills.”
The thing is, except for that latter Weeknd hit—the creepy “Hills,” not the MJ-esque “Can’t Feel My Face”—none of these songs was a chart-topper at black radio. Billboard’s R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay list—a radio-only chart that is now the only real way get a sense of what core R&B and hip-hop fans actually listen to—was topped all year by the likes of Big Sean and Rae Sremmurd and Jeremih and Meek Mill and Nicki Minaj (with the thumping “Truffle Butter,” not one of her pop-aimed tracks). None of these songs was a Top 10 pop hit; Jeremih’s “Planes” missed the pop Top 40 entirely. Whereas “Uptown Funk”—a 14-week Hot 100 chart-topper and a song so indebted to black-music history the Gap Band managed to shake it loose for some change—never came close to topping black radio playlists.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_music_club/features/2015/music_club_2015/in_2015_black_artists_took_back_the_hot_100_pop_charts.html
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link
interesting perspective as molanphy's writing often is. kinda getting mixed evidence on his point about how crossover as we knew it "no longer exists" for black artists tho? like, he points out two songs that charted highly on the hot 100 and one that stalled as evidence for this, but in reality this is because the former two DID cross over while the other's airplay remained limited overwhelmingly to urban radio. songs succeeded or failed at crossing over before 2015 as well obv, and it still does take "weeks or months" for songs to migrate from urban to pop radio. he rightly acknowledges that streaming gives many r&b and rap acts an early boost on the charts now that they wouldn't have a few years ago, but that's across the board for all urban-radio hits, which tend to be heavily streamed compared to, say, adult contemporary ones. it's not like soundscan's accurate measurement of piece-counts allowing "tha crossroads" and such to zoom up the charts before pop radio got on board in the mid-90s meant that crossover stopped existing then either.
(also, pedantry alert, but he links to "all around the world" by lisa stansfield as an example of something migrating from pop radio to r&b, but the charts from the time show that it was actually one of rare examples of songs by white artists crossing in the other direction, from r&b radio to pop.)
― dyl, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 08:34 (eight years ago) link