that quote is kinda true too.
― scott seward, Friday, 29 May 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
Where exactly do people under 50 "talk prominently"?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
also, AU CONTRARE: http://thoughtcatalog.com/devon-hartman/2014/11/you-have-to-stop-what-youre-doing-right-now-to-watch-this-dog-sing-the-blues/
"Where exactly do people under 50 "talk prominently"?"
taco bell. urban outfitters.
― scott seward, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
aol chatrooms
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
at least they tell me they're under 50
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
well maybe I'm wrong but it seems like their own contributor Amanda Petrusich received a fair amount of attention for 'Do Not Sell At Any Price', and his written a good bit on the blues-on Pitchfork.
― campreverb, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but she's 53
― Evan, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
Has music writing period created a bill Simmons like character since ... Chuck klosterman? Serious q
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
Who it should be noted doesn't even write about music
Any more
We're in a doomed and dying industry, no one cares about your opinion and good taste is worthless; people rely on those already in their network for recommendations, or maybe a spotify compilation. The functional purpose of music writing at this point is news writing, celebrity writing, and that's ... Literally it. At least as far as a large audience is concerned. All you can really do is be a good enough writer that people want to read you on those grounds by building your own micro audience
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
I don't know that I even 100% believe that but i think having any expectations beyond that could only lead to disappointment
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
have you considered law school?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link
Not even for a second
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
Im being a lil flippant ppl care about your opinion and good taste isn't really worthless, it's all just scaled down drastically
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
Virtually no one, not actually no one
The functional purpose of music writing at this point is news writing, celebrity writing, and that's ... Literally it.
I think this is otm actually, which is why so much "music" writing these days has little to nothing to do with actual music and mostly has to do with the artist's narrative/story arc (to which music is an incidental element)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link
which bugs me personally but it is interesting in terms of audiences and how they consume music - the stories that interest audiences are no longer really in the songs themselves, they're in the career arcs of the performers (which can be made up of songs + other stuff)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
maybe it was always that way, to some extent, and it's just been accelerated/taken to extremes given the explosion of digital content idk
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
The functional purpose of music writing at this point is to create places on the internet where an artist's name appears, and then trick people into clicking on it
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
ok but why people click on it is only partly about the music, it's more about "I am interested in the story of this person's life"
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
then why are 95% of music features about boring people?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
whiney, do you think deej would make a good lawyer, y or n?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
well, boring is relative
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
i don't think any judge would tolerate his constant defense of "why are you all attacking my client all the time?"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
i think his persistence and semantic focus would make him a good lawyer
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
like, i think he'd be good at cross-examinations
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
no, u right
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link
deej can fight to get rappers out of jail after pitchfork and noisey get them locked up
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link
the hemiola defense
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, May 29, 2015 4:48 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bc this industry wastes lots of money
thank god
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, May 29, 2015 4:42 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is of course true but getting those clicks is thru ... new writing & celebrity writing. I guess there is also provocative thinkpiece writing that we all hate 99% of the time
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
does anyone else ever see threads like this beginning circa 2002 and suddenly realize its 2015 and that its been a thirteen year discussion and feel like what
― meaulnes, Friday, 29 May 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link
tbh i think its stupid as hell that this thread keeps getting bumped, like can't we just stick all this stuff on worst new music thread if its really that bad/worth complaining about
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Friday, 29 May 2015 23:07 (nine years ago) link
its not bad writing its bad thinking
― no (Lamp), Saturday, 30 May 2015 00:38 (nine years ago) link
i mean its also bad writing but thats sort of a given
― no (Lamp), Saturday, 30 May 2015 00:39 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but try being a musician now. I'm just resigned to doing this shit after my 9 to 5
― Heez, Saturday, 30 May 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, May 29, 2015 4:42 PM (42 minutes ago)
I said something like this almost verbatim to a student a couple weeks ago but I remembered all those times Details ran cover stories on Stephen Dorff and Skeet Ulrich, i.e. it was ever thus except the paychecks are smaller.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 May 2015 01:00 (nine years ago) link
so you're saying we should rename that other thread the 'bad thinking' thread? a lot of ilx would end up posted there
― Keith Mozart (D-40), Saturday, 30 May 2015 01:18 (nine years ago) link
the dorff years were bleak. the sobieski plague another low point. thanks a lot, Interview Magazine.
― scott seward, Saturday, 30 May 2015 01:22 (nine years ago) link
aw, man, now i miss Movieline.
― scott seward, Saturday, 30 May 2015 01:23 (nine years ago) link
i used to make tape recordings of me reading Movieline interviews back in the 90's. i would play both parts. interviews with jason priestly and people like that. it was fun.
― scott seward, Saturday, 30 May 2015 01:26 (nine years ago) link
remember when skeet ulrich was on the law & order los angeles reboot
― maura, Saturday, 30 May 2015 03:18 (nine years ago) link
God 2015 sucks
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 May 2015 04:12 (nine years ago) link
...from the perspective of someone who doesn't write music reviews, i mean, and (evidently) doesn't write well in general. i guess now it's kind of expected to just acknowledge that it's easier and faster for people to just listen to a song and form their own opinion rather than read several paragraphs describing a song. to be annoyed by that is annoying to others. but i hate the direction that music journalism is going. 30 years ago had got g. marcus suggesting cool shit for you to listen to, now you get a link to a bandcamp and hopefully a few farting suggestions as to what it might sound like. however, i recognize that i also hate the direction that humanity is going and i'm totally ready to just move to the mountains and make moonshine and be even more irrelevant. *barf on self, barf on world, barf*
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 May 2015 04:20 (nine years ago) link
― scott seward, Saturday, 30 May 2015 01:26 (3 hours ago) Permalink
Lol
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 30 May 2015 05:06 (nine years ago) link
30 years ago G. Marcus could kick a ball in the street
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 30 May 2015 05:08 (nine years ago) link
you need to upload those tapes scott
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 May 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link