Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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nick logan used to run the nme before you were born -- at one point he sacked ALL contributors over 31. hollywood's film tampered with the facts to some extent.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

genius re. over-21 'logan's run'!!!!!!

It was 21 in the original book as well apparently though I haven't read it. They could turn it into a good comment on modern Hollywood values if they tried though.

Lex--Logan's Run was a film starring John Wayne.

(x-post)

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, the OMM lists can be good sometimes.

The rest of it can usually be shit, through.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

Esteban, you've jumped the troll.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

THEYRE BETTER THAN THOSE GAY-ASS LISTS ON STYLUS!!!11!!

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

long xpost, but I do hear the Fiona Apple-ness Philip hears in "Shame On You." I can imagine Fiona singing it with a more piano-ey/organic arrangement.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I guess it does make more sense with "Shame For You", which is a bit reminiscent of "Criminal" or "Sleep To Dream".

It's also my favourite Lily track by some distance.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

"jumped the troll" GENIUS.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 20 July 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

If it's genius, then why isn't it on MySpace with all the other geniuses?

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

(Expect to see Stylus give the album a D. With a review written by Passantino in which the music isn't even mentioned once.)

-- ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (estebanbutte...), July 18th, 2006.

DING DING DING

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/reviews/lily-allen/alright-still.htm

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

ah, the britishes and their class issues

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

He does mention the music though..

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

Only briefly, through.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

who's abs?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

who's "crispin" mills? does he know where the "of" in the first line has gone? etc.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

He disses Lily Allen for being phony, then next line disses people who need their music to be real... brain explodes.

Have to admit that I've never heard Lily Allen but she does seem to be a bit of a twat.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is hugely entertaining. Moreso than what little I've heard of ms allen's oeuvre, I'm afraid :(

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Dom, look for another job, maybe somewhere in the grave-digging industry.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 24 July 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Even 'Lily Allen and Arctic Monkeys weren't really discovered through Myspace, it's a PR fraud' has itself become a bit of a meta-hook, I've seen it in a handful of articles already.

― Nedpoleon (NedBeauman), Monday, 24 July 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

What form did her distressing youth take? Apparently, and I kid you not, sometimes her parents embarrassed her at dinner parties, and every now and then she got told off for handing her homework in late. Jesus wept.

But according to another Allen puff piece somewhere (BBC iirc) she lived in a council flat with her Mum living on spaghetti on toast for QUITE A WHILE after her parents split.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 24 July 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmmm.....spaghetti on toast..

― CDDB (Dan Deluca), Monday, 24 July 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

But according to another Allen puff piece somewhere (BBC iirc) she lived in a council flat with her Mum living on spaghetti on toast for QUITE A WHILE after her parents split.

-- Konal Doddz (stevem7...), July 24th, 2006.

the puff-piece i saw mentioned the council flat and the exorbitant school fees in the same breath.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

Pop haters hate Lily Allen. True fact.

― David Orton (scarlet), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha bullshit, she is basically the epitome of pop for indie kids who can't bring themselves to love "all that processed crap"

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

ANYBODY who has a number one single is pop

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://rocktimes.de/gesamt/h/jimi_hendrix/pics/jimi_hendrix.jpg "Oh yeah?"

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

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it's all pop music at the end of the day, Maniche.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone posted this yet?
http://www.myspace.com/leadingbyexample
click on 'Vile Lily Allen Remix'

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

She wouldn't last a week on American Idol - does that make her not proper pop?

In any case, "Smile" was one of the very few songs I could tolerate on Radio 1 upon moving to London approx. 4 weeks ago so for that I'm grateful.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

ha that remix is hilarious

name checks: Upper Street, Brighton, Craven Cottage

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Putting things in perspective, there is simply nothing in the world worse than that twittering idiot posho bird, Lily so-called Allen, being let out of her gilded cage so she can flap about the once respectable hit parade. And it’s all thanks to billionaire tycoon Lord Keith Allen, using all the influence and clout that the name Fat Les carries to curry favour with bloody Murdoch so he can weasel his sprog onto the exclusive MySpace empire!
Once on that rarefied playground of the monied and connected it was only a matter of time before pop kids - most of whom are working or lower-middle class and therefore don’t even know their own minds, let’s not forget - were duped into liking the sub-cod-phoney-not-even-proper-or-anything-ska-pop-so-called-“music” being peddled by the fairy princess, ‘Lolly’ (geddit?) Allen.
So that’s how things work these days, is it? Some silly, landed gentry tart asks pater for a hit single - and a hit album, and tour - Keithy then goes “whatever my devoted daughter wants, she shall receive”, clicks his fingers, and, hey-presto - a mix session on Annie Mac awaits. Well, PAH! Girls Aloud got to where they got thanks to NOBODY’S help. Just blood, sweat and tours. Graft. Doing it properly. Playing proper pop properly. PROPER! Get that? LILY ALLEN IS NOT PROPER! WHY WON’T PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME? HOW MANY TIMES?
She gets carried onstage on an IVORY sedan chair over a carpet of POOR PEOPLE, then flaunts around to the sound of ska pop - even though she’s not even a PROPER darkie, which means she shouldn’t be allowed. Afterwards she then gets driven back to the Allen big house, very big house in the country in a ROLLS ROYCE made from DIAMONDS glued together with the TEARS of the OPPRESSED while she LARFS and SCOFFS on PANDA steaks and snorting “GAK” and a drug so trendy YOU haven’t even HEARD of it.
And you know what? The public fucking lap it up! Well, it’s fat-faced men on internet music message boards who are the real arbiters of taste, not them thicko bastards, so anyone who likes Lily Allen can fuck off.

God, that young woman’s success makes me sick to my stomach.

― Sir Self-appointed guardian of taste (scarlet), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think the songs are catchy and innocent & summery & happy and they work, so there.

I really don't see why we need SEVEN MILLION MESSAGES (approx.) about who she is and whether her accent is real or not and why she's not from the right background and how that's the only thing that seems to matter in that funny medieval caste system the britishes live in and how that determines the score her album gets more than the music on there.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

note to last 2 posters: ADD ME AS FRIEND

― Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

no-one has been this 'love it or hate it' since...?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Sir Self-appointed guardian of taste OTM, excellent post -- bit racist (PROJECTION!), but hey.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'll think you'll find it was a rather boring parody.

― jimnaseum - music to make you staga (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

i know right

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I am so sick of angry, ironic, snarky, self-righteous music critics. That was embarrasing to read. wmurch3 has hit it on the head -- it looks like you've got an agenda, and it's sad to witness. That's why I stopped reading Pitchfork! And now I have to get it from Stylus. By the way, about two months ago, this site was the first place I'd ever heard of Lily Allen...a rave review of the tunes she posted on MySpace. I checked her out, loved her irreverence, and was excited that something this well-made might actually make it on the radio. I didn't give a sh*t where she came from, and it was fun reading her blogs and witnessing her fame explode week after week. However, I'm not sure where you're getting your facts. She never complained about any waiter, she never bragged about her dress, she never seriously complained about her upbringing (although who doesn't?), and if she does have an identity crisis, who's to blame her? She's f*cking 21 years old! Now, about the music, Dom, I think your rage has blinded you to what appear to my eyes to be harmless observances of her experiences as said 21-year-old. Whether or not they're embellished, who cares??? Whatever, it seems like Lily Allen's a flashpoint for controversy, which is fine in my book. I like that.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody noticed the difference between the album and the myspace versions of "Smile"? I like the latter a lot more and I don't know where else I can find it. Any info?

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

And the flipside of all the cattiness is "Littlest things", which also happens to be best track on the album and brings a tear to even my wizened and jaded eye!

Good old Jerry. I wasn't prepared for this song when I heard it, listening to the album for the first time, on the bus. Before I knew it there were tears and then I played it again and it happened again.

She's got the kind of voice that makes you feel you know her, and that's pretty rare I think.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Lex = spot on. In America, this stuff reads as idie-pop for uptight Anglophiles who sneer at "mainstream taste." Belle & Sebastian with beats.

Still, it's pretty damn great, for what it is. Funny, nasty, contrived and really quite charming.

But DAMN that Stylus review is some crazy shit. A frothing bag of displaced hostilities. Hope dude's got some kids to beat, or he might end up hurting someone...

― fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've enjoyed this album for a good 3 weeks, but alas as expected I've already lost interest. these types of albums never seen to have any longetivity

― boonah (boonah), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe we should stop liking the music in public and Dom 'n Lex will stop hating on her so much? (Maybe they're like our Picture Of Dorian Gray, hating her more every time we say we find music quite catchy & fun? Except they're not hanging in our attic like they should - like the picture is in the book, I mean, er, analogy needs more work)

So yeah, she sucks.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

I say, Esteban OTM.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

With shock, I heard her blasting from speakers on the street here in Moscow. She is everywhere.

― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

lovely

"... even if only for one weekend"

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

I love this album, and I'm totally rockist. Make of that what you will.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

the beginning of "little things" / "littlest things" sounds like karma police, btw

: )

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

The line that always gets me is "you'd take me shopping / and all we'd buy is trainers / as if we needed anything to entertain us"...

Tear googles ahoy.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeh, it's one of those "ambushed by unexpected emotion" tracks innit?

The beginning of it reminds me of a different song from Karma Police -some 70's ballad I can't put my finger on.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

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