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am neither here/there on pc music but many ppl are here, figured i'd throw it out

*out there

"they subvert nothing, nor do they add anything to the discussion beyond noise" That's pretty much my take.

The idea that it can be subverting the mainstream is laughable when most pop listeners don't even know it exists.

perhaps it isn't really trying to subvert anything

perhaps jaded music-critic types like ms garvey are incapable of recognising when fun is being had

That's cool. If it's fun it's fun. But a lot of the reviews and interviews pivot on this idea that it's subversive and that's what Meaghan Garvey's addressing. I'll leave aside the idea that only the jaded don't find PC Music enjoyable.

of course, but only the jaded could write that article

She actually says this herself btw: "Some of the songs are pretty fun and they’re definitely well-crafted, but it’s hard to consider them as standalone pieces divorced from the surrounding conceptual hijinx—which of course, they were never intended to be."

can't believe some people are comparing this crap to Aqua!

it's 4:30am and so far just skimming/will read in full tomorrow, but:

"Musically, PC Music’s artists bring little to the table not already existent in J-pop and K-pop (and American pop, etc. etc.) of the last decade-plus, especially those involving Japanese producer/composer Yasutaka Nakata: Perfume’s 2006 compilation Complete Best, or any number of Capsule’s mid-'00s releases, or more recently, the work of synth-pop surrealist Kyary Pamyu Pamyu."

so thankful someone finally articulated this point in a piece, with actual (accurate) specifics.

for what it's worth here are the producers themselves on how subversive they are being: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/pc-music-are-for-real-a-g-cook-and-sophie-talk-twisted-pop-20150522?page=5

(n.b.: I was originally going make a glib "would it KILL them to let the women do interviews instead of fielding the "some say you're appropriating femininity" questions yourselves, but it turns out they have: https://i-d.vice.com/en_gb/article/hannah-diamond-and-gfotys-beginners-guide-to-pc-music )

(this interview is mostly interesting because GFOTY is clearly more "in-character" where Hannah Diamond is talking more as a creator)

Is there an element of satire to what you do? Are you making fun of pop music?

Cook: No, I mean, I never set it up in that way. Everything can get interpreted as satire, in that very cynical way. But when we were doing Pop Cube with Red Bull, there was a really good moment quite early on where they wanted to scope out what we were like. Within the first minute, they could tell we weren't pranksters. We take it seriously. This is a big part of our lives. There's no way that satire could be at the core of anything.

Sophie: Why would you bother investing so much of your time and energy in something that's basically laughing at something and not contributing anything? I don't think that's a worthwhile use of your time.

Cook: One of our intentions is to try and push pop music and make it experimental and accessible, and put an interesting noise or personality as well as a good melody. Sometimes people just don't like how it sounds, and they're like "Oh, well, I can't justify this. It must be a joke." But we're really just trying to see if we can make something stick culturally.

Cook: I was the first person you let touch your laptop.

Sophie: Yeah. That was an important moment for me.

gone and used the wrong bbcode tags now :D

doesn't that count as an attempt at subversion, the kind of playing with convention that u r often so fond of?

did ILM ever talk about HDBOYZ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5YAc6L_KQ

that meaghan garvey piece is really good, mostly for the internet weariness stuff. i'd've been harsher on pc music bc i don't think it's EVEN well-crafted. also my internet utopia years were like 3-4 years before hers and i always thought carles was irksome and boring

yeah I find that the wave of "he predicted everything about the internet!" plaudits is causing a lot of people to overlook all the gross and/or sexist shit he posted. there's satire, and then there's satire that still has the ultimate effect of putting more soul-deadening stuff into the world

does anybody else think that danny l harle's 'in my dreams' is fucking amazing

yes

for whom is that article written--i mean, for whom is "but in 2011, HRO started to eat its own tail" i. remotely relevant and ii. actually news?

i also ... blerg.

"Musically, PC Music’s artists bring little to the table not already existent in J-pop and K-pop (and American pop, etc. etc.) of the last decade-plus, especially those involving Japanese producer/composer Yasutaka Nakata: Perfume’s 2006 compilation Complete Best, or any number of Capsule’s mid-'00s releases, or more recently, the work of synth-pop surrealist Kyary Pamyu Pamyu."

so thankful someone finally articulated this point in a piece, with actual (accurate) specifics.

― soyrev, Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:40 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean, i like kyary as much as the next nerd but ... if you a/b 'hey qt' with the three things she links and think to yourself, 'yes, this is a pallid copy of the wonderful glossy hi tech sound of j-pop, it can gtfo with its ... actual dynamics, sense of space, its drum programming that took someone more than five minutes, these are not the things that matter'

What's the story behind your stage name?
GFOTY: It's a way of life. Read the torah/bible w/e it will guide you towards your own name.

someone get this woman on ilx plz

@lil unit it's a good thing nobody said anything remotely similar to that! including garvey! (the most j-pop/mid-period perfume pc music thing has always been "bronze" btw; kyary and more recent perfume are an ambient influence on pcmus but it's the older yastuaka that's really fundamental)

also wow in general to your take on "the wonderfully glossy hi tech sound of j-pop" :D

A lot of awesome points brought up in the Garvey piece but I disagree with some of it. PC Music is hardly a rehash of J-Pop and K-Pop, and it's something that's been said ever since it started and it seems to discredit everything else that plays a role in their sound. You look at the list of influences AG Cook lists in the Tank interview and it's really clear what sort of music fed into the creation of the general PC Music sound. Yes, K-pop and J-pop play a role (love that remix he did of SNSD's Into the New World) but you have pop that's characteristically naive and/or weird with Ark Music, Farrah Abraham, and teen pop in general (all of which I recall Alex Macpherson mentioning before), various unfashionable dance music (eurodance in general, jumpstyle, nightcore, happy hardcore), and even specific mentions of Zappa's synclavier stuff and Nancarrow's player piano pieces. And then you have someone like Maxo who is indeed influenced by Nakata-produced stuff (albeit it only really shows in recent releases) but takes far more from jazz fusion, prog rock, and of course chiptune/video game music. And then there's Danny L Harle who's classically trained, and has a handful of 20th-century classical influenced compositions which I'm assuming somehow effects how he approaches some of those remixes, at least structurally.

I'm a bit confused by the responses to the whole QT drink thing. PC Music's approach to tackling ideas surrounding capitalism, advertising, pop culture et al is less about avoiding it as a means to suggest an alternative route but more so an embrace of it to allow other people to think about it themselves. Also, I am pretty sure there is no way PC Music could've been nearly as popular at the beginning of the decade as they are now. Like, poptimism is in full swing with this new generation of underground music fans and it shows with the popularity of a few select albums from the past couple years, the embrace of cheesier music in general (think: all this recent love for new age [Gigi Masin has a freaking album on PAN for crying out loud] and soft rock), and then all the vaporwave/OPN/Ferraro/newer Orange Milk stuff. Maybe I'm completely misguided on that part but I can't imagine the response to PC Music in 2011 being the way it is now, even with Glass Swords and all that other stuff around back then (which, i mean, i feel was also only so successful because of the 'purple sound' stuff that came slightly before that).

does anybody else think that danny l harle's 'in my dreams' is fucking amazing

yes. he's the one.

he seems to be operating on an incredible level, and this is just the start

shocked, shocked i tell you, that one of these posh white people turns out to be a racist idiot

http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/gfoty-imessage-field-day-review?utm_source=noiseyfbuk

the relevant bit is now blacked out on that page

this is what it said:
https://twitter.com/theQuietus/status/607918655695945728

this was who was playing:

http://fielddayfestivals.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Toumani-Sidiki-Diabat%C3%A9-1-Youri-Lenquette-2014-300dpi-610x610.jpg

Toumani & Sidiki Diabaté

what the fuck

spelt carafe jesus woman

srsly tho that's v shit

she obv has a schtick that hinges on her knowing sabotage of the Young Woman 2k15 but this is a sabotage too far, not even the satirical excuse covers it

also, fuck Vice

Yeah, she's meant to be a troll but you can be a troll without actually enacting racism. What she is is a fucking wanker and this is gross.

"Part of this conversation has been taken out because it’s fucking awful."

interesting concept, cutting what people wrote, I wonder if there's a word for it

almost as though the editor had no idea it was racist until pointed out

Vice's manifold cowardice is annoying me more than her idiocy tbh; she will suffer now, deservedly, but it won't

remember when everyone tried to convince me that Vice wasn't terrible anymore, or at least their music section wasn't like OG Vice

The racism is the one thing that actually makes that whole string worthy of publication, I'd assumed it was an expose but apparently quite the opposite. Then again I zoned out before the blacked out section because it was all just so trite and enervating.

xp suspect that in past years they would have simply ignored objections to something like this, for whatever you might think that worth

calling it trolling or a schtick is being too generous. she's an ignorant piece of internet shit who has no grounds to speak about the Diabaté family at all.

I saw AG Cook DJ at Field Day. It was a lot of fun but I realised halfway through that it wouldn't have seemed inappropriate if he'd played Eiffel 65's Blue. No ironic racism in his set though.

also had no idea til now that gfoty = polly-louisa salmon, daughter of celebrity art dealer jeff salmon

always bet on posh yt ppl for casual racism or the enabling of it

http://i.imgur.com/GJGDgec.png