the genre known as dubstep - search and destroy

...don't even think for one minute if baz came from sth london and burial from nth ireland that it wouldn't be boxcutter being championed as the incarnate soul of dubstep pushing boundaries while burial would be some wierdo tinkering away on long dead music

You're a clown.

Kode 9 is from Glasgow and seems to do pretty well for himself.

I'm sorry if I'm overreacting but really ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology rather than actually saying anything about music. Ya basta.

boxcutter seems more like milanese, sort of on the periphery of dubstep, but obviously paying attention to it, more obviously on certain tracks than others. not heard the new album but the last one wasnt bad. the last milanese album on planet mu is worth finding though. some really good production on there.

Do you mean this Milanese disc? This line, from the AMG review, caught my attention: Dubstep "is apparently hip-hop with dancehall reggae flavors and tech step dexterity. Or something like that."

so D1 is doing more house? interesting. that 'it will come' track on his myspace isnt too good IMO but the way you love me isnt bad. it samples some old 70s soul song i cant put my finger on. kinda cheesy though - id like to hear more funky house made using dubstep sounds/sensibilities if thats possible rather than dubstep guys just switching full-on to funky.

daniel, i mean 'extend', yeah.

Scary cover image. A song on their MySpace page -- Matt Burden Sex Tape -- is downright frightening!

I'm sorry if I'm overreacting but really ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology rather than actually saying anything about music. Ya basta.

fine, then say something about the music then...

"ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology"

not like you of course, right?

^^^^ die you cunts?

Titchy, go start a thread asking people how to live your life instead of shitting this thread up?

Pollywog, go tend to your sheep or whatever?

Wow. The violence that's hinted at in Burial's music is directly on-the-table in Milanese's MySpace songs. Interesting in terms of the variances between artists working in a genre (and maybe a bit off-putting, for me, with respect to Milanese's music, but I'll try again).

I saw Milanese once and it was awful. Clunking, lumbering rhythms and all the mid-rangey distortion your ears need to make you deaf for a week. Not recommended.

yeah i find milanese a bit of a grind to listen to...

...i suggest splitting the difference and listening to vex'd or MRK 1 :)

vex'd's degenerate album is really good. i heard a new 12 though and it was pretty bad. quite generic 'scary dubstep' fare. the type of thing i imagine my good mate jim knocking one off to. or on, while its rotating round the turntable.

I hate angry dubstep.

Erstwhile-nu-metaller-bedwetter-step.

angry dubstep + Erstwhile-nu-metaller-bedwetter-step = spongebob.

I think spongebob is slightly knowing. Well I hope so anyway.

MRK 1 is really underrated, i guess coming from manchester wouldn't help his cause...

...i love angry dubstep, but i love the fluffy scuba type of stuff as well and the techy hotflush type of stuff and the dubby dubpolice stuff

you guys heard 'lonewolf - the tale of the rivers of shaolin' ???

crikey thats some metal type stuff which is rather good too...

I hate angry dubstep.

What are good examples of non-angry dubstep?

Well most of it. There of course being a large distinction between darkness and anger. I can't think of a single Mala beat I would call angry for instance.

Not even Bury da bwoy!

I do like angry dubstep really, especially where a vocal is concerned (skeng!) just can't stand darker than thou distorted po-faced bullshit.

Me too. Having said that, the Milanese -- on first listen -- was a bit much. But I owe it another spin, and a chance to sink in.

Skreamizm 4 whites were out about a week ago. Oskillatah is ridiculous jump up wobbly rubbish but I love it unreservedly. Nemisis(sic) is woeful but the rest is fairly entertaining.

I haven't checked Skream's Rinse 02 mix yet. Geeneus's Rinse 01 was good, spanned the gamut of Rinse styles, dubstep, grime, few bits of funky at the end. Apparently Skream's one is mainly his unreleased dubs.

http://www.juno.co.uk/artists/Pangaea/

This release is absolutely crucial.

Deep swung techno influenced stuff, like a combination of Loefah, El - B and Rhythm and Sound at their best.

Very minimal (the adjective not the genre). Hessle Audio is definitely quite an interesting label. The TRG bit with the Ne-yo sample was pretty sweet. Terrible name though.

Hessle audio being the terrible name. My english isn't so good today.

Deep swung techno influenced stuff,

...sounds like our Hell Science Dept stuff

maybe one day people will find our stuff, listen to it with a clear head without being tainted by my bullshit and go...

...fuck me those lads were on it

but i doubt it...heh

Hey Pollywog you should check your PMs on the Breaks forum.

If it's not a link to 2 girls 1 cup you've gone down massively in my estimation.

yeah my puter crashed Siah and lost all my links, so hard to keep trak of where i used to frequent, where i'm banned from, what my name on any given board was and a host of forgotten passwords...

I was just wondering if Skrimshank had made anything new lately.

I liked the guys beats.

And Jim, I'm sorry, I do like some breaks stuff.

Not much recently but Ils and Tayo and a few others.

I don't have a lot of hope for anything that great to come out of bassline breaks or Search and Destroy style breakstep these days.

Broken beat seems to have some potential, Benga made a track called Broken Dubstep that I'm a big fan of.

I don't have a lot of hope for anything that great to come out of bassline breaks or Search and Destroy style breakstep these days

one word, RESO. Dude can mashit up breaks style or halfstep and his production values and drum progaramming are as high as toastys...

you heard the new zed bias ???

‘Experiments With Biasonics’

As a prelude to the forthcoming Zed Bias album on Sick Trumpet, Zed has put together a mini mix of some of the album tracks...

Right click here and choose ‘Save Target As’ to download!

1 - Time
2 - Rogue Frequency feat. Fyza
3 - Cottonmouth feat. Mark de Clive Lowe
4 - Bareknuckle feat. Broke n English
5 - Horrorzone feat. Ink Lined Minds
6 - Smile Within feat. Fyza
7 - Givin it up feat. Pete Simpson
8 - Complicated feat. Fyza

His remix of Soil and Pimp Sessions last single was really good.

After years of middling house output it was nice to hear him do something a little different.

^^^reckon he might be burial ???...haha

skreams rinse cd is just loads of bangers.

What do you guys think about those Soul Jazz dubstep / future of dub comps?

In a post-Burial attempt to familarise myself with the genre, I've been listening to the recent Soul Jazz Box of Dub 2 comp. All very pleasant, but the whole album reminds me of the Thievery Corporation, specifically Songs From The Thievery Hi-Fi. Not so much late night urban menace, as late night boutique hotel chill-bar. I'm not entirely sure that was the intention!

Hah, whatever you do, don't say that too loudly. But I'd somewhat agree from the half of it I've listened to, but I still like it.

"boutique hotel chill-bar"

i dont get that from all dubstep, just stuff that tries to work in 'world' music like pinch's qwali track. i generally loathe that stuff in general, its so poorly incorporated.

for all dubsteps protestations about not getting it unless you hear it on a booming soundsystem...

...it also works on the average cafe system turned low and in the background to allow for conversation

D1 - I'm lovin' is the shit.

I know this thread is mainly just an airing ground for disgruntled nu-school breaks fans to talk smack on dubstep but someone needs to keep it ticking over. I'm fighting the good fight here.

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=70999

"Broken beat seems to have some potential"

it HAD some potential.

Oh wow, a moment ago boomkat alerted me to the work of boxcutter; first thought: this is like a ray from heaven coming down onto me.

I've got the Boxcutter disc -- Glyphic -- but it hasn't grabbed me yet. Is that what you're listening to?