I love Live Killers, so Jimmy and Owen can go slather themselves in each other's spooge and FELCH RIGHT OFF!
Also, you have to be a true jackass to disrespect The Shaggs.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)
Well, he sort of doesn't, in the description, so he just about gets away with it.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)
Picking live albums is for pussies.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)
Well, his worst rock and rollers of all time were: Macca, Phil Collins, Duran Duran (?), Billy Joel (the winner).
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)
I love this book, it's like the definitive bathroom book. Their writing is viciously funny, especially about records I like (a bunch on the list). What's great is that they take very few cheap shots---Milli Vanilli is one, but there's not (m)any more. Their list of 33 1/3 rules for rock records is hilarious: my personal favorite is "Never put a children's choir on a record ("You Can't Always Get What You Want" is the only exception). I think they refer to Mike and the Mechanics' "The Living Years" here.
Anyway their opinions are ridiculous (hence the hilarity) and I vote for Europe '72, a great record, but pretty representative of what rubs folks the wrong way about the Dead. That's what these guys were going for: find records that are representative of something broader (usually an otherwise respected artist) and pick on what they thought was the worst of that. Why bother messing with "Go To Heaven"?
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)
50. U2 - Unforgettable Fire They think they are the most important band in the world, and sometimes they are. On The Unforgettable Fire, they don't even come close.
See, I agree with the other two (three?) commenters just above -- I think if there's any point at which U2 came close to being an "important band," it was on this record, which is easily their best -- and that's no small feat for a band that also released War, the Joshua Tree, Achtung Baby and Zooropa in succession.
― stephen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)
Unforgettable Fire counts "Bad," "Wire," and "Indian Summer Sky" among its tracks -- three of my fave songs by the band. These guys are high.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
tossup between Metal Machine and Slippery When Wet.
there's some other decent records on that list too.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)
you have to really hate the dead to put Europe '72 on that list. i'm boycotting this on account
― outdoor_miner, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)
QUEEN II
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)
So this list is half easy cheap shots and half "OOOOOH LOOKIE ME." bullshit controversy attempts.
feh.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)
The list's one weirdoodledum cack of a wot-knot, of course. :)
Having just one vote, mine goes to Song Cycle.
― t**t, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)
This list is pathetic. Most of these albums are at least decent, and are listed purely because they're by reputable bands not performing up to their previous standard. Nobody has the guts to put together a real list of the worst albums because it means spending oodles of time flipping through dollar vinyl for stuff that would never, ever be put out on CD. I guess it's more fun to take shots at easy targets.
Also, "Song Cycle" is great, "Metal Machine Music" is great, Donovan is great (seriously, wtf is his greatest hits album doing here?), "Slippery When Wet" is good fun.
Bashing "Aqualung", America, and "Tales from Topographic Oceans" is just cheap anti-frat boy sniping ... which I can respect, I guess.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)
How is Aqualung in any way 'frat boy'?
― humansuit, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)
The inclusion of Donovan is just bizarre.
I'm voting for Slippery When Wet though. It has three classic, powerhouse singles, and only very, very lame people would (pretend to) dislike Livin' on a Prayer.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)
I'm slightly surprised that teh compilers, 'witty' and 'controversial' as they seem to believe they are, didn't include any Status Quo or ZZ Top in that list.
― t**t, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)
agreed Donovan is the total WTF for inclusion on this list. Easily top of the pack here, and I just bought a 2-CD comp of his so *nyah* to the haterz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)
yeah i was surprised to see queen II on the list. i've never heard that album, but i mean, it's queen in the 70s how bad can it be?
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)
Various Artists - 70's Hits: Great Records of the Decade - Original Recordings, Vol. 1
Seems like cheating to include some generic comp like this
Has anyone actually heard the Bruce Willis album...?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)
Yes. It's very, very bad. Sub Don Johnson bad.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
I have heard the Bruce Willis album. A lot. Not by choice. Of course it's horrible.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
Don Johnson's "Heartbeat" vs Bruce Willis' "Respect Yourself."
Hmm...
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)
polyphonic's words upthread were much OTM:
Nobody has the guts to put together a real list of the worst albums because it means spending oodles of time flipping through dollar vinyl for stuff that would never, ever be put out on CD. I guess it's more fun to take shots at easy targets.
― t**t, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe not from the writers' perspectives. I'm curious how different generations/subcultures view Donovan differently. Something tells me many older types from the Dylan-is-god reality tunnel see Donovan as a total joke. Whereas, a lot of indie-rock types dig the guy. Buttholes Surfers might've helped create the latter phenomenon. I'm just guessing, though.
― QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)
I can see hating on one of Journey's actual LPs (lots of filler) but the Greatest Hits!??! come ON
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
Something tells me many older types from the Dylan-is-god reality tunnel see Donovan as a total joke. Whereas, a lot of indie-rock types dig the guy.
He wrote catchy songs with goofy lyrics that are fun to singalog to. He's the proto-Marc Bolan.
I think you should let YouTube decide it for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULI5kolBpAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni90iL81wTQ (though it's being a bit wonky right now)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)
I spent a bunch of time hating on Journey's greatest hits when some asshole put the whole thing in order on the jukebox in a bar I was in a few days ago.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
good point.
― QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
some asshole put the whole thing in order on the jukebox in a bar
well that's just obnoxious regardless of what album it is
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)
RE: Johnson vs. Willis controversy - at least Johnson had the courtesy to not restyle himself as a bloozeman.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)
"You know, I'm actually starting to like Journey."
"Well, you're gonna be very pleased with the next 23 songs!"
― Sundar, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)
There is something genuinely confounding about Donovan that has to do with "seriousness" in music - eg, conventional wisdom is Dylan is better cuz he's "deeper/more authentic/serious" whereas Donovan is a silly little teenybopper trying too hard. And Donovan - if you ever read him talking about himself (not recommended) - DOES totally try to hard. Its clear he was always desperate for credibility. What's interesting is that his failure to attain said credibility is the result of writing a bunch of childlike songs that are well-constructed and well-executed and really rather charming in their naivete and silliness (there are some exceptions - Hurdy Gurdy Man and Season of the Witch both have some genuine creepiness going on).
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)
it's as if by trying too hard and taking himself too seriously, Donovan inadvertently stumbled into creating a very satisfying but completely UN-serious body of work.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)
totally. he took the scenic route to arrive at Tommy James.
― QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)
Listening to Donovan talk about himself vs. Bob Dylan always reminds me of the "Boris Karloff is a cocksucker!" scene from Ed Wood.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)
Shaggs!
― Jordan, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)
Shakey OTM. The conventional wisdom on Dylan and Donovan comes out of Don't Look Back, where one of the long-running jokes is "Who is this Donovan?" that they keep seeing ads for while traveling the UK. They finally meet up, jam a bit, Donovan plays "Catch the Wind" or something, and then Dylan plays "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue". Actually, both versions are pretty good, but in the book this thread is about, the authors say that Dylan totally showed up Donovan (after the song, everyone is quiet until Donovan says "I used to know a girl named Blue", which is a pretty silly remark). But yeah, the Donovan record is one of many silly choices on this list, but the book really is hilariously written.
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)
(after the song, everyone is quiet until Donovan says "I used to know a girl named Blue", which is a pretty silly remark).
hahaha - imagine if the roles had been reversed and Dylan had made that remark in the appropriately sarcastic tone after Donovan played the song, everyone woulda gone "ooooh, BURN".
the "Dylan good/Donovan bad" narrative is inherently stupid, classic baby-boomer rockist posturing.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)
it woulda been funnier if Dylan had played "Froggy Went a-Courtin'"
Shakey again OTM
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)
Half the frat boys I knew owned that record!
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)
Nice poll, Kevin! And you're right: pretty funny book, even though I like many of their choices and take issue with most of their assumptions. (OH NOES STEVE HOWE NOT INFLUENCED BY BLUESMEN)
It comes down to a near-tie between moody Moodies muzak and metal machine music...Days Of Future Passed takes it!
Of the 50, I currently own eight, used to own a further eight, and WISH I owned Elvis/Journey/Milli Vanilli. Maybe that second Shaggs album too, tho I suspect it's kinda redundant.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)
Wow, you knew some really freaky frat boys dude.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)
I've been looking for that Elvis record for 12 years.
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)
I was gonna say, if Aqualung and Topographic Oceans are really considered frat boy classics, I love America! (Moving Pictures and DSOTM I don't doubt, OTOH.)
xpost
― Sundar, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)
Stop and Smell the Roses is like the second best Ringo LP.
― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)
what's the first? I only have the "Ringo" one with "I'm The Greatest" on it.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, I think that one's probably the best.
― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)
Toss up among the Queen sets and Topographic. Seven Seas of Rhye and Now I'm Here are great songs!
Yes gets my vote.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)