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Selbstportrait I& II are from '79 & '80, I think...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I thought the record dated from then, but wasn't as sure about the recordings themselves...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a question about these Selbstportrait things: I know they are compilations - are the tracks on them available on other albums or were they like "here's a bunch of unreleased stuff" kind of compilations?

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Just got the Japanese import of the other Harmonia in the mail today! "Music Von..." It does indeed seem better than "De Luxe" at first glance.
One question: there have to be people here who remember what dishwasher detergent containers used to look like in 1974. Did they really look like they do today, like the container on the sleeve of this CD??!!! I mean, am I supposed to do my laundry at the same time as listening to this?

<envisions watching clothes go round in a dryer in a public laundromat while listening to Harmonia>

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

>"here's a bunch of unreleased stuff" kind of compilations?

that's how they started out at least. Selbstportrait III actually includes dates for each track, some go back to '73.

Volumes IV and V were retroactively titled, wenn der sudwind weht and flieg vogel flieg don't make any mention of being a part of the series. they also might actually date from the early 80's, but the aesthetic is consistant; no acoustic instruments, just pure sinewave chords & melodies.

Volume VI returns to the archive, the first half feels like the last leftovers but the second to last track 'hommage a forst' is a 25 minute collage mixed from solo outtakes & alternate mixes from Music von Harmonia sessions, it's super dupes.

I'm spending a lot of time writing about the solo releases, but you only move on to these after getting the 71-84 work... there's no rush either, I bought these records from 1985-1992, even when the vinyl was slightly easier to find, it took years. I'm outing myself as a true obsessive with these posts but there are few bands I spent this much time with...

(Jon L), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Working on getting Selbstportrait now, just wait.

Still overcome with love for Jardin Au Fou above all right now!

Tonspuren I like better than Harmonia's "Musik Von", though the latter has it's good points.

Gonna give De Luxe another listen right now.

Can't wait until my very own Japanese remastered reissue of Sowiesoso comes in the mail. The last one on the planet? I shall have my fun!

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 24 May 2004 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Agree with everything Broheems said about "Deluxe", I prefer it to the first album, tho the first album is more "radical". I think I'm right in saying that Bowie and Eno admitted that "Deluxe" is the album they "borrowed" from most, more than any of the Neu! albums and, case in point, compare "Red Sails" from Lodger with "Monza" and "Julie With" from "Before and After Science" with "Deluxe". I have "Double Cut" by Moebius & Beerbohm and confess to finding it pretty dull.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 24 May 2004 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
I'd just like to point out that I dl'd Deluxe b/c I've been on a big CS80/Before and After Science kick -- and I don't hear the "Julie With"/"Deluxe" comparisons at all. I mention it b/c you've made that comparison on two threads. At best, the guitar sounds are maybe similar...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard "Julie With..." in years but the bass kind of carries the melody doesn't it? That's what probably reminds me of "Deluxe". And maybe a general feeling of late-Summer languor.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

... or am I thinking of another Eno song altogether?!?!? It's possible!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

It's "Here He Comes" I'm thinking of!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

finally tracked down a copy of wenn der südwind weht. most of it is quite good, with a few standout tracks. it's dated 1981, but even so i think the tracks dates vary as some just sound older than others. this is one of the nicer songs on it:

roedelius - mein freund farouk

finding it impossible to track down the early selbstportraits or jardin au fou. surprisingly i didn't like what i heard of durch die wuste. i figured i would love it since its the earliest of his solo things but the trademark melodies are missing and the guitar on it is pretty bad.

amon (eman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh balls and "Durch die Wuste" was the one Roedelius left that I fancied owning. "Mein Freund Farouk" is my favourite thing on "Wenn der Südwind Weht"!

BarabadabaDadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

don't take my word as i'm often a picky listener. check the samples of it on amazon, that's what turned me off it.

amon (eman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

I hate "Here He Comes"!!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
the cluster & eno album is beginning to grow on me now. i still dont think so much of zuckerzeit though. havent heard the others

terry lennox. (gareth), Saturday, 28 January 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Check out the last track of Zuckerzeit, Terry...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 28 January 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

sorry, i made a mistake. i meant to say, i didnt think so much of grosses wasser.

i have zuckerzeit, but have only played it once

terry lennox. (gareth), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)

cluster 71, cluster II, zuckerzeit and sowiesoso are the only ones you need of the proper cluster albums

|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l| (eman), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

grosses wasser is my least favorite. there's not much holding it all together and much of it is a bit plain, but it's got moments. you could tell most of their energies were going into their solo albums by that point.

curiosum isn't for everyone, but it's definitely for me. really subminimal.

like I said upthread, the reunion records are very skippable. but I've got a board recording of their KFJC FM 96 set that hand down beats anything off any of the live albums they released.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:47 (twenty years ago)

terry lennox, have you heard the eno/moebius/roedelius record "after the heat?" side a is great, side B ruins it with stupid vox on a couple of tracks.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:33 (twenty years ago)

Curiosum is fantastic; Grosses Water sounds to me like Peter Baumann had too much influence.

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:47 (twenty years ago)

I agree

though if you needledrop yourself straight into the middle of the rhythmic bit on side 2, you'll be likeably confused for a few minutes

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 29 January 2006 09:19 (twenty years ago)

good discography with translations, including full translations of the spoken word texts on the first two Kluster records

http://mitglied.lycos.de/neuschnee/Clusterdiscs.htm

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 29 January 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

I actually didn't think Grosses Wasser was all that bad. Couldn't stand beside Sowiesoso or Zuckerzeit of course but still...it made more of an impression than Curiosum. I should pull this stuff out today, get familiar again and maybe report back. It's been awhile.

Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Of course all that was written before I studied my previous posts from ages ago. I sure didn't know the ILM regulars as well back then, I'll tell you that much.

Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Anyone here heard the Gadgets, Matt Johnson's early band? This Curiosum stuff reminds me of some of that. I never had Gadgets 'Blue Album' though so I can't comment on that.

Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

thanks for the Gadgets tip. i'll investigate!

i was curious about those Ersatz lps, any other opinions? they (Ersatz lps) are hard to find!

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Sunday, 29 January 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone confirm or deny whether the latest reissue of Zuckerzeit (on Universal Germany I think) is copy-protected/DRM'd? I've been looking for it for ages, and now it turns out Neighborhoodies of all places sell the reissue for a pretty reasonable price, but I've heard that some of Universal Germany's other recent Krautrock reissues are DRM'd to hell, won't play in car stereos or computers, etc...

telephone thing, Sunday, 29 January 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Oh balls and "Durch die Wuste" was the one Roedelius left that I fancied owning.

actually it is worth getting and i take back my earlier comment. i downloaded it in full and it's very good. think i'll buy it when i get a chance as this mp3 rip is pretty bad.

smokemon (eman), Monday, 27 March 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
FYI, a (Gemm.com) seller named "Mundo" recently had the Curiousum, Grosses Wasser, Zero Set as well as Sowiesoso Japan CD releases for sale. These can all be hard to get. Don't necessarily go by his Gemm or his "www.mediawars.ne.jp/~mundo" web site, email Ray directly at "[email protected]" to ask about availability and shipping.

-Harry

Harry Dangel, Monday, 10 April 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

the Japanese 20-bit edition of Zero Set is the best

the pfm review of the Eno/Cluster discs last week was good, had one factual error: the Gyroscope CD reissues dated from 1996, not 1984/5

i was curious about those Ersatz lps, any other opinions? they (Ersatz lps) are hard to find!

I was the one posting upthread about these so sorry to post again -- I like them, though seldom play them often or even all the way through. The sounds are very similiar to what Moebius was doing on Moebius & Plank's En Route, which was recorded in 1986 but sounds unfinished and was only released later. The Ersatz records use the same clanking 80's drum machine and new digital synths, but they sound finished & weirder.

If you haven't heard Moebius & Beerbohm's Strange Music, get that first. It didn't strike me at once, but man has that record aged well, sounds like a couple of sessions recorded fast to tape but all the noises are incredibly bizarre -- I think Beerbohm's a drummer, several songs sound very punk. A record like this from 1982 is why I can't find the patience to listen to Black Dice. The second Moebius & Beerbohm record Double Cut is shockingly minimal -- side one is basically just someone strumming a few notes on a bass really fast into delay with no other sounds whatsoever and that's it, there's your money -- but y'know, it actually sounds great -- and side two is a 20 minute lo-fi 2/4 drum machine stomp with a simple two note riff and a lot of phasing & delay -- probably not enough to impress most people but me I wish it lasted forever

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

OTM, milton parker. time has been very kind to moebius. all of those collaborations--and tonspuren!--sound way more 'modern' and relevant to me than much recent stuff.

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Moebius' solo stuff has never really impressed me - bits of "Tonspuren" are really good, "Double Cut" is boring. Moebius/Plank(/Neumeier) is better. "En Route" is the backing tracks to the album Moebius/Plank did with Mayo Thompson is it not?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 08:36 (twenty years ago)

yes, the Moebius/Plank/Thompson record is Thompson reciting poetry over a lo-fi cassette of mixes from En Route.

if you don't like Moebius/Plank/Neumeier's Zero Set, I can't help you

Tonspuren is Moebius pop melodies and the closest he ever got to Roedelius. Released around the same year as Roedelius' Offnen Turen which is the closest he ever got to Moebius' weird motorik rhythms

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drc800/c867/c867592iste.jpg

name (eman), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

if you don't like Moebius/Plank/Neumeier's Zero Set, I can't help you

's okay, I like it, I have no need of your help!

D.D. Disappointed Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

no one does -- my objectivity is reduced to a pulp by this band, 1971-1984 I love every record

the Lillental is up at '8 days in april'. apparently ripped from a CD -- news to me it had ever been reissued on disc, I've got to find that. the Lillental is Moebius' group from '78, released around the same time as Durch Die Wüste. most of it is simple atmospheric meandering sub-floydian pulse, but I like it more than a lot of things and there are a couple of standout weird tracks like 'Wattwurm'

Asmus Tietchens' interview in a recent issue of E|I magazine mentioned an unreleased 1978 Roedelius/Tietchens album -- he says it wasn't good enough to put out, apart from one track -- I bet a lot of people would love to hear that track

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the description of Moebius & Beerbohm's Strange Music which made me just have to try it. I've been listening to Can a lot and I put this on and thought "good god this is more warped than anything Can came up with". I really enjoyed it. And I think it's cool that they just called it Strange Music. What an honest, apt and unpretentious title.

Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Sunday, 16 April 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
new moebius album released in two weeks

http://www.dietermoebius.de/s_nurton.htm

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 8 July 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

I could swear I saw a review of a recent Roedelius album somewhere, I thought it was in this magazine I bought, but when I looked for it, I couldn't find it in there anywhere.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Saturday, 8 July 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

Also yeah Liliental I remember liking a great deal, more than probably 10 other CD's talked about on this thread.

Realized a few months ago that my copy of Cluster '71 cannot be found. This is crazy because I am not one to lose CD's. The only thing I can figure is I must have sold it, but I can't imagine why.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Saturday, 8 July 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

I could swear I saw a review of a recent Roedelius album somewhere, I thought it was in this magazine I bought, but when I looked for it, I couldn't find it in there anywhere.

Could it be this?
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=22648

Telephonething (Telephonething), Saturday, 8 July 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Actually although that is very interesting, I'm afraid that wasn't it. I'm thinking now that I probably saw this review in a recent issue of Mojo, I mean I was only at the shop about 2-3 weeks ago so it could be last month's Mojo or this months, but it wasn't a comp in any case.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Saturday, 8 July 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Also it was a real small review, little letters, just a paragraph or two.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Saturday, 8 July 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Already over a year old (and half of it a reissue), but maybe it's this one? Gorgeous album.

willem -- (willem), Saturday, 8 July 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

No I'm sorry I don't think that was it either. :(

I don't know why I have this memory. The album was listed as Roedelius but he was working with one other person.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Sunday, 9 July 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

Don't know if this is of use to anyone....
http://www.krautrockgroup.com/Cluster.html

dr lulu (dr lulu), Sunday, 9 July 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.groenland.com/home.html

Roedelius Works 1968 - 2005: Limited and Numbered Copies Hits The Shelves!

A number of limited edition Roedelius Works hit the shops today, a week before its standard release. The impressive package that is comprised entirely out of the foil material that is used to package fresh Salmon (we kid you not!) contains two CD’s that document the highlights of an illustrious musical career.

From being a founding member of Kluster in 1969 who’s eponymous debut pioneered the brick-a-brack approach to electronic music to working with a long list of impressive collaborators such as Holger Czukay (Can), Conrad Plank (Krautrock producer extraordinaire) and forming Cluster by adding luminaries such as Brian Eno and Michael Rother (NEU!) to the ranks. Hans Joachim Roedelius overall impact on many a musical genre is immense and he has often been credited as one of the ubermeiesters of what has affectionately known as Krautrock.

Works is the definitive Roedelius collection avalailable now for the first time and featuring music spanning five decades. We have a limited number of CD’s available through our own little retail outlet… all of which have their own unique number. So if your not in the position to trawl thorugh the more independent record shops... get clicking and we’ll send you one in the post while stocks last.

ROEDELIUS: WORKS 1968 - 2005
Limited and Numbered Release

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2CD Price: £17.99

CD1

1. Harmonia – Monza (Harmonia De Luxe, 1975)
2. Cluster – Hollywood (Zuckerzeit, 1974)
3. Cluster & Eno – Ho Renomo (1977)
4. Harmonia – Dino (Musik Von Harmonia, 1974)
5. Roedelius – Human Being/Excerpt (Live Im Zodiak, 1968)
6. Roedelius – Regenmacher (Durch Die Wueste, 1978)
7. Cluster - Oh Odessa (Cluster Curiosum, 1981)
8. Roedelius – Digital Love (Digital Love, 2002)
9. Cluster - Excerpt (Cluster 71,1971)
10. Lunz Live – Excerpt (taken from the MoreOhr Less Festival 2005) 11. Roedelius – Poetry (Pink Blue And Amber, 1996)
12. Roedelius – Freudentanz (Wenn Der Suedwind Weht, 1981)
13. Kluster – Klopfzeichen Excerpt (1970)
14. Roedelius - Amerika Recycled (2004)
15. Roedelius – Rue Fortune (Jardin Au Fou, 1979)

CD2

1. Roedelius – Zerrissen Zwischen Illusionen
(Lieder Vom Steinfeld, 1998)
2. Roedelius – Isleta (Aquarello , 1998)
3. Roedelius – By This Road (Before & After Science, 1977)
4. Cluster – Sowiesoso/excerpt (1974)
5. Roedelius – Twilighttide (Tace, 1993)
6. Roedelius – Einfach So (Piano Piano, 1991)
7. Lunz – Dew Climbs feat. Half Cousin, (Lunz-Reinterpretations, 2005) 8. Roedelius – Imogen (Remix by Imagine Imagine, NOH1, 2005)
9. Roedelius – Gewiss (Sebstportait I, 1978)
10. Cluster – Emmental (Apropos Cluster, 1990)
11. Kluster – Kluster & Eruption/Excerpt (1971)
12. Roedelius – Persistence Of Memory/Excerpt (2002)
13. Roedelius – Gefundene Zeit (Gift Of The Moment, 1984)
14. Roedelius – Voran (Selbstporait VII, 1990)
15. Roedelius – Blueblut (Roedeliusweg, 2000)
16. Roedelius – First Lesson (Aqueous & Roedelius, 1997)


[URL]Internet casino gambling online[/URL] (eman), Saturday, 15 July 2006 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

for a best-of collection, i'm not really feeling that tracklisting at all. its disappointing, i mean they should focus on the hard-to-find selbstportraits and the like, and why is there nothing from lustwandel??

[URL]Internet casino gambling online[/URL] (eman), Saturday, 15 July 2006 04:28 (nineteen years ago)


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