Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

are you offering some pushback

goddamit safari autocorrect ruined my brilliant pun

puthback

lol

deej wtf

i'm really frightened that charlie puth might actually become a thing

― dyl, Friday, April 17, 2015 11:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've never known what "become a thing" really means, but especially now if singing a #1 pop hit doesn't count

"become a thing" = get his own thread on ilx

Macklemore & Ryan Lewis: a thing
Wanz: not a thing

another example - LMFAO vs "Lauren Bennett and Goonrock"

yeah i wouldn't worry too much about charlie pluth becoming a thing

i dunno Sam Smith primed America for more simpering cry-singing

charlie puth is way more marketable (and in more of a catbird seat, in that song) than lauren bennett or goonrock

also more punchable

oh i wasn't saying charlie puth is or isn't a potential thing (i think i'll let info about this guy come to me rather than seek it out), i was just trying to clarify how one could be "not a thing" and on a #1 hit

oh god i just looked up charlie puth on google

damn my curiosity

the lead singer from Magic! doesn't seem to have become a thing so lets not overestimate america's long term taste for punchable things

charlie bluth

i still haven't ruled out the possibility that Charlie Puth is just a hilarious Andy Samberg character

while i'm proud america has shunned at least three potential follow-up singles to rude i wouldn't count those dudes out until the follow-up album tanks

if they were just some lucky nudniks who stumbled onto a novelty hit i'd say they were toast, but the singer is a successful pro songwriter and pretty immersed in the biz. this feels like saying candyman in the mirror, but there's still the possibility of "featuring Nasri" becoming a thing.

aaaaaaaaaagh no no no no shut up shut up

*says it three times while looking at billboard on my computer, annoying lyrical hook comes out of screen and kills me*

it's such a truly unknowable crapshoot who survives and thrives and who doesn't in the music industry
talent, money, connections, looks, originality, experience, past performance; nothing is a tell-tale indicator of success
the only thing that ever seems to work is hitching a ride on the zeitgeist but how the fuck do you plan that

http://www.2kmusic.com/prev-yD5ZTbMD_xY.jpg

is recording vocals using an earbud as your monitor a "thing"?

30 years ago a child would kick a ball on the street.

he looks like if you took all the New Kids and morphed them into one face

and then punched him in the nose a whole lot.

there is one immediately telling difference between charlie and nasri though

(gestures to thread title)

(nasri is palestinian and not black, but the people choosing who gets to be the teen dream -- and the audiences who fall in line behind them, they're not off the hook -- are more likely to do so for someone who looks like charlie puth)

this week "earned it" becomes, with "happy" and "all of me", one of the three songs since 2010 to have gone #1 in all-format radio play (http://www.billboard.com/charts/radio-songs) that broke r&b radio before pop radio rather than the other way around. 2010 is the year when rihanna's "what's my name" was the only such song to do the same. (from 2009 going back to the first full year that billboard's hot 100 airplay chart was tracking an all-format panel [1999] several such songs would pull it off.)

*'several such songs would pull it off each year' i should say

*tears for Trap Queen*

Wait, how did this T-Wayne song suddenly enter at #17? Is it a thing?

vine

also kylie jenner's instagram appears to be the smoking gun of what boosted it that high

t-wayne signed a deal w/ 300 entertainment just like fetty wap so the radio play will prob start catching up any minute now...

Wow

Educate me on T-wayne

Check out D-wops of Jupiter

very interesting discussion here: https://youtu.be/odXOU2vKgc4?t=16m32s

actually it gets very stupid very quickly

god i hate peter rosenberg

it is somewhat insightful but then the whole discussions seems to focus down on "i don't like records like 7/11" :|

lmao at Ebro referring to "Latch" as a dance remix and saying very confidently that "the original was a straight R&B record"

Lmao @ someone citing We Found Love's "timeless" lyrics. Also weird that it got brought up in a discussion about R&B when that song is pure dance on every level.

Also in what world are R&B artists servicing smart R&B to mainstream radio while handing over trendy "ratchet" songs to urban radio? If that is happening, radio clearly isn't picking them up, because it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack trying to hear R&B on a pop or HAC station.

Also a lot of that low-key sounded like respectability politics.

There's an element of that but I think there's also an understandable frustration about artists giving their best work to pop radio

Ebro and Rosenberg sound like they literally have no idea what they're talking about

the people in that video are imperfect messengers but i think it's a convo worth having. R&B on urban radio right now is, aside from "Earned It" and a couple other big records, overwhelmingly leading in a certain direction (7/11, Bitch Betta Have My Money, Post To Be, Usher and Ne-Yo's stripper songs). even Ciara's ballad has trap drums and faux-Future ad libs.

Beyonce released an incredibly varied album, and the urban radio campaign for it ended up being the 2 most overtly sexual songs, a Nicki Minaj remix, and then a full-on ratchet bonus track, when every other Beyonce album had a singles campaign that went all over the map and had different kinds of hits.