Pavement:Classic or Dud

"Grounded" is the definitely the one song to me that elicits the strongest image of being stoned on a porch at 14 in love/hate with the world

it was more a romantic vision of suburbia then something tied specifically to California

They sold enough records and developed enough of a rep (and were forced onto many second-generation listeners) that they will likely always have a certain cache for uninitiated listeners. You might say the same thing About The Fall in that while "of" a particular generation they are arguably a far less accessible band. Like it or not, Pavement are a musical touchstone, and will likely remain so for several more decades. The did the noise and tip his shit but also some of the sweetest of melodies. Also, like Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli said above, Malkmus is still making records, and he remains a reliable and gratifying source of music.

The observation that Pavement were never really mainstream is only another bonus; not only do i NOT want to hear "Cut Your Hair" on the radio, his lack of mass appeal may force him to keep making fresh material just to pay the bills (as it were) - and i'll take that any day of the week.

Random thought: If anybody out there knows of or is a youngster who is getting into Radiohead for the first time, explore a bit of the impact of a producer and take a listen to what Nigel Godrich did with "The Hexx" --- more moodiness, less whinniness.

Used to wash dishes at the pizza place I worked in high school while listening to CRCR, and then later rollerbladed with my friends in the parking lot of the pizza place I worked in high school while listening to Wowee Zowee. Later albums lacked the immediacy of those two, presumably because I was no longer working at the pizza place I worked in high school, which felt like the ideal backdrop for Pavement songs.

first listen on npr, the early stuff, 30 absolutely gorgeous songs from before "cut your hair". this very secial band was really ingenious. how they melded abrasive guitars with meandering songs, brittle tunes and a great vocal delivery still leaves me speechless.
The Secret History Vol 1

This is super lazy of me but is there anything on there that isn't on Luxe & Redux?

nope it's all just the bonus stuff from that reish.

ty Tyler!

http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/kannberg-favorite-pavement-songs.html

Spiral picks his 10 favorites.

yeah i don't understand this reissue at all besides ~VINYL~ which i mean hey if it's an excuse for ppl to hear this for the first time, awesome!

I might get the Crooked Rain era one tbh - no way was I ever going to buy the reissues on CD cuz fuck CDs but it'd be nice to have the extras and on vinyl too. the only Pavement vinyl I have is Brighten the Corners and Terror Twilight.

dunno, those pavement CD reissues were great -- not super expensive and loaded w/ good-to-great bonus stuff.

I'm not buying albums I already own on CD again

but an album of extras that I don't own on vinyl, sure

tylerw otm. "CRCR" is, imo, the best of the lot. There's an unreleased track called "All My Friends" that's prob my #1 Pavement song of all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6JK4p_vnqo

I'm not buying albums I already own on CD again
would generally agree, but paying $12 for almost 2 hrs of bonus material seemed worth the cash.

"All My Friends" is unusual in the sense that a snipped edit of the instrumental ending of it was released as a b-side to "Gold Soundz" as "Exit Theory (edit)"... I wonder why the full track was never released until the reissue?

I kind of like the idea of having this on one collection separated from another album

yeah it makes sense -- though i always thought they should do a complete BBC sessions double LP or something. those things are so fun.
friend just sent me a tape of this summer of 96 show they did during the brighten the corners sessions, where malkmus is just making up lyrics for all of their new songs. a total blast.

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Exit Theory (Edit) is on the same single as my all time favourite Pavement song, Strings of Nashville.

that's a really good list that spiral chose. some of my very faves in there.

hmmm few too many spiral songs though

i'm aok with this existing and would def consider buying vol. 2 if vinyl was my primary mode of listening, but it's weird they're promoting this as a new album named THE SECRET HISTORY when its a reissue of widely available stuff

No reason to buy this, but man these are some great songs. Song for song, this band's B sides were almost as good as their album tracks

100% dud

This tweet from a couple of months ago hit too close to home.

http://i.imgur.com/o9tXyLo.png

O_____O

Fuk

Haha 13 yrs is what I think of the original "S & E" coming out

"Yeah came out in the early 90s dude, that was like, I dunno 13 yrs ago right?"

Knew most of these, and leaves some out, but pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMaR6ljTK6c

Huh never noticed the croce or sly bits before lol

where's that video of Mark "E" Smith pissing his pants

Off the top of my head, missing are Raspberry Beret/Cut Your Hair and Hip Priest/Our Singer, but I'm curious about other ones....

Also, I'm guessing that "nyah nyah nya nya nya" predates the sly bit?

Ring around the rosie

Stop Breathin' =
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VmM8qRRLwU

No Tan Lines = And Your Bird Can Sing

Buddy Holly one is a stretch

the silence kit melody is almost note for note "Everyday," I thought everybody knew that

problem with things like the buddy holly is that it's just a really rote diatonic melody... bit like those youtube videos that point out how a whole bunch of I V vi IV songs are "copying" each other. there are the basic tools of pop music! focusing on tiny little melodic cells is kind of missing the point when all these people are using the same twelve notes. the bit i like about the silence kit melody is that nice little switch on "grandmothers advice" anyway :)

Silent kid, it's a-gettin' closer
Goin' faster than a rollercoaster
Love like yours will surely come my way
A-hey, a-hey-hey

― love is how's life tonight (how's life), Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:20 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

problem with things like the buddy holly is that it's just a really rote diatonic melody... bit like those youtube videos that point out how a whole bunch of I V vi IV songs are "copying" each other. there are the basic tools of pop music! focusing on tiny little melodic cells is kind of missing the point when all these people are using the same twelve notes. the bit i like about the silence kit melody is that nice little switch on "grandmothers advice" anyway :)

― linee,

I don't think we're meant to take the video seriously. I mean the Sly Stone bit is out of a nursery rhyme.

I love S Kit and never noticed this either.

Chewing
Screwing
Myself with my hand

Bob didn't seem to take too kindly to it on FB, but maybe I misread his reaction.
I have no problems with these borrowings if they are real. Makes the point that they are magpies of the classic rock era

And the Sly one is bogus, the Buddy Holly one is as clear to me as the Croce one

Sly and 'stereo' belong here:
Songs that incorporate the "nan nanny boo boo" melody
But the buddy holly one is an obvious rip, but also a canonical example of nicking a tune but making your own clearly distinct song from it.

I just hope no one gets sued over it.

what is the one at 1:35?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7vXN-2j3A

lol I even own that album duh

West and Nastanovich sit in with a Pavement cover band in Nashville: http://pitchfork.com/news/61813-pavement-members-perform-pavement-songs-with-pavement-covers-band/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5iDsc4pCc0