This album is total horsehit aside from three songs
― DJP, Saturday, 11 April 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
so they came up with this elaborate hoax about channeling the sound of the types of albums they used to sample -- a period of music almost none of their fans, or active critics today, really know anything about
:|
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 April 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link
i haven't listened to it in a while but iirc i still like this very exhausting record
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 April 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
i think the wrongness and the skeletal and drifting qualities of some of the pastiches actually contributes to my enjoyment of the record? you can hear the music they're aiming for spectrally, but it's impossible to precisely simulate, and the tension between those things is very rich imo
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 April 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
also "nu metal breakdown" smh
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 April 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
― DJP, Saturday, April 11, 2015 6:40 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If those three are "Giorgio By Moroder", "Get Lucky", and "Give Life Back to Music" then this is OTM!!
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 11 April 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
haven't heard it in a while, but pretty sure I would still love it, aside from "Giorgio"
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 11 April 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
this album is ... not for me
― the late great, Saturday, 11 April 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
listened today and confirmed it is still the best album of music
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 11 April 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
to add to this i guess my main criticism of the record is that discovery already did this, but i enjoy the sound of them going full tribute act. it's like george benson fanfiction
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 April 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link
hahaha yes "george benson fanfiction"
― The Reverend, Saturday, 11 April 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
if by "you can hear the music they're aiming for spectrally" means "enduring Pharrell's fucking awful singing on 'Lose Yourself to Dance,'" then write your own fan fiction.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 April 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
Oh Mr Snrub *chuckles to self while bemusedly shaking head*
― DJP, Saturday, 11 April 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
lol alfred
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 April 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
This record genuinely helped me through an exceptionally difficult period. I can't think of any other album in at least the last 10 years that I played so often, and absorbed so intently. The sequencing felt spot-on, and the cumulative message hit me where it mattered.
But that was two years ago, and I've not since been minded to break out of the inevitable refractory period.
Until now. I'll give it another listen tomorrow, and will pray that it hasn't all turned to shit.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 11 April 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
here take my shirt and just go ahead and wipe up all the sweat sweat sweat
― conrad, Saturday, 11 April 2015 22:16 (nine years ago) link
@insufficiently fam listen to the five-string bass and record scratches at the end of "giorgio." total nu metal
and yes, some critics know about mainstream disco and fleetwood mac and all that, but really not many are at all literate w/r/t prog. and then daft punk's fanbase generally knows almost nothing about any of that stuff. "prog" was the single biggest witchhunt word directed towards anyone who had an opinion about RAM that was even just one degree cooler than "it's revolutionary"
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
is there more prog here than there is disco/post-disco/"what a fool believes"?
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:28 (nine years ago) link
add jazz fusion to that mix
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:59 (nine years ago) link
The album's structure and ~concept~ count it as prog in some measure.
― circa1916, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:26 (nine years ago) link
@insufficiently not particularly! not even. but that was *the* red herring of pretty much every "discussion" of this album i saw (granted, i wasn't on ILM at the time, so i'll presume present company excluded). every time someone complained, there would be a greek chorus of naysayers to the tune of, "you just hate that it's not like discovery, daft punk made a prog album, we need to judge it by prog standards" etc etc. (by which standards, like any other, i personally think it's an embarrassing mess.)
i'll grant daft punk maybe didn't foresee these kinds of debates happening, but i do think they knew full well they could not succeed on the terms of the entire past decade+ of dance music they'd inspired (which, again, their "Get Lucky"/abortive self-remix series corroborates; these guys just don't have it anymore), and obviously as a cop-out human after all was a total failure (the narrative surrounding the hype of RAM made it seem like that album never even happened). so the decision to make this grandiose, rockist betrayal of everything they'd wrought (remember all those "back to REAL music" interviews they and all their collaborators gave for a full year around this thing, as though everybody should delete ableton and make a $2 million studio album) seemed really deliberate, and preemptive of the criticism they would have received had they done literally anything else with that album.
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:29 (nine years ago) link
but yes, as circa1916 says, the structure/concept is def prog, and so are a fair number of the actual songs themselves ("giorgio" and three or four of the later tracks i can't get straight at this point – "beyond" and "touch" and all that).
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
i fuck w/"beyond" heavy
― example (crüt), Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:23 (nine years ago) link
Human After All is fantastic
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:32 (nine years ago) link
Only "narrative" I recall picking up on in RAM press ws that Thomas had been v down when making HAA and there ws some reaction to that in RAM
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:35 (nine years ago) link
i thought that was guy-man
― example (crüt), Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:36 (nine years ago) link
Oh I guess it was him then. Anyway that's abt all I remember of HAA's role in the RAM narrative
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:45 (nine years ago) link
Feel kinda bad for Guy-Man now tbh
human after all is okay. it's better than RAM for sure. i actually dig the concept behind both albums (HAA especially), the execution is just miles off the mark.
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:50 (nine years ago) link
(though they have a song apiece that really nails their album concepts: "give life" and "make love")
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:52 (nine years ago) link
lose yourself to dance is hella good, nile's guitar shreds, and the beat fucking slaps hard, will accept pharrel's reedy voice as price of admission
― brosario nawson (m bison), Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:03 (nine years ago) link
I don't know about genres and narratives, but I sure do like the notes on this album. I particularly like the pitch and timbre of those notes, and how they arranged them and the beat with respect to time. The relative amplitudes of the notes? Yeah, I enjoy them too.
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:38 (nine years ago) link
if i hadn't made it clear, i don't like any of those things about it, either =/
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:50 (nine years ago) link
well I'm afraid that you must at least like the notes on the album. those notes show up on bunch of other albums imo.
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:57 (nine years ago) link
christ.
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 05:41 (nine years ago) link
every time someone complained, there would be a greek chorus of naysayers to the tune of, "you just hate that it's not like discovery, daft punk made a prog album, we need to judge it by prog standards" etc etc. (by which standards, like any other, i personally think it's an embarrassing mess.)
like, uh, okay, what?
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 12 April 2015 08:01 (nine years ago) link
is there another board where this reaction is documented
Maybe it ws Greek
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 12 April 2015 08:03 (nine years ago) link
loved this album, though i generally despise pharrell (i imagine daft punk know little about modern R&B, which is why they went for such a shitty vocalist) so found it hard to really like the songs he is on, though i still like lose yourself in spite of him having to sing it. i cant actually pick a favourite, when i was listening to this a lot, it changed all the time. though the instrumentals did seem the most dissapointing.
― StillAdvance, Sunday, 12 April 2015 08:35 (nine years ago) link
if you want real/old/proper daft punk, you should just go and find kanye's yeezus album.
― StillAdvance, Sunday, 12 April 2015 08:37 (nine years ago) link
@insufficiently lastfm daft punk page for /sure/ and youtube like heck. see also: twitter. i also was checking into the daft club forums a bit at the time, and iirc that was the general dichotomy of the reactions there as well.
i wouldn't be surprised if there was some of it here, too, but given i only really started checking these boards a few months ago that's a total guess on my part.
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 08:49 (nine years ago) link
this album's execution is largely excellent in a very obvious way - the concept is easily the bigger 'problem' (in that it's ultimately not all that interesting to enough people besides DP to homage so directly so much)
― nashwan, Sunday, 12 April 2015 10:03 (nine years ago) link
it's pretty easy to forget about the concept ime
― courtney barnett formula (seandalai), Sunday, 12 April 2015 10:04 (nine years ago) link
yeah it's not that big a problem I enjoyed listening to this regularly for a good 9 months at least :)
― nashwan, Sunday, 12 April 2015 10:05 (nine years ago) link
I listened to the whole thing a few weeks ago on the drive back from Big Ears and it sounded amazing! everything sounds so good on this record. I get why people who are used to super-punchy dance music don't like it but I'm just delighted with it. I like parts of Discovery a lot (esp. Voyager/High Life/Veridis Quo) but some parts fall flat for me because they're so underdeveloped; I appreciate that Daft Punk made a record where all of the songs are finished. if I want to hear a French touch disco loop record I'll go listen to those old Le Knight Club releases. a new Le Knight Club record is what the people really want, right?
"Game of Love" is underrated - listen to the gorgeous rhodes, the little guitar wikkas that disappear in the second half, the harmonized humming part that sounds like sine waves & the little vocoded "breath" sounds inserted in between
― example (crüt), Sunday, 12 April 2015 15:16 (nine years ago) link
I listened to the whole thing a few weeks ago on the drive back from Big Ears and it sounded amazing! everything sounds so good on this record.
― example (crüt), Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:16 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm -- this album didn't fully click for me until driving to the beach
― katherine, Sunday, 12 April 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
I like parts of Discovery a lot (esp. Voyager/High Life/Veridis Quo) but some parts fall flat for me because they're so underdeveloped; I appreciate that Daft Punk made a record where all of the songs are finished
I can't understand this... Discovery to me feels like a perfectly formed record from start to finish. RAM sounds like a rush job of muddled half-concepts.
I wish there'd been a bit more prog on RAM. Touch is as close as it gets but it sticks out on the album as something that could have been better presented elsewhere. A DP musical with a revolving cast of guest players would have been a great idea.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Sunday, 12 April 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
― example (crüt)
This is a great description of why this song is so good.
― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
record is comparable to recent dangelo record for sheer sonic pleasures.
album has some ropey drumming on it - i dont care if the drummer played on thriller. hes obv been playing some dodgy stuff since 1982.
― StillAdvance, Sunday, 12 April 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
I played most of it again today. It's still too soon to return. Refractory periods have their place.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 12 April 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link