Carly Rae Jepsen • Kiss

This is really good, I dig it

idk I actually think carly really sells it, this is one of his few productions where I can't imagine his guide vocal

of course this convo already assumes a lot re: how much crj and dev contributed to this song

I agree but I've rinsed EiE so much that I need this new one right now xxp

I of course adore "love zone" tho

I want to believe it was a 50/50 collabo with them just sitting around CRJ's house listening to records and building it as the night rolled along.

When I become Emperor I will ban all songwriting credits from ever being published

otm

and lyric sheets

A lot of times it doesn't make much difference, but we can all agree that Dev has a very heavy hand when it comes to songs he writes for other artists. Like Tedder and like Dr. Luke and like Max Martin and like Diane Warren and Prince and many others going back decades, you can hear the writer coming through in the song no matter who's singing.

When I become Emperor I will ban all songwriting credits from ever being published

― 龜, Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:05 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

and lyric sheets

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:06 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

booooo

i think a legit criticism of dev's calling card songs is that they're very simple and repetitive... but with this one it all feels like a set up so that the chord changes after the bridge can deliver the knockout

tried again, didn't take again, it's a combination of the synth hook being too third-grade music-class major scale practice, the track being thick and sluggish and kind of emotionally null and bowdlerized, and the fact that carly rae jepsen generally doesn't do restrained

and the hook really is something out of a deservedly forgotten A/C hit from 1985

This thread was making me happy last night. Now it's making me sad.

not to derail too badly but distinguished dredded Billy Ocean of the '10's has a great look
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01559/p_billy-ocean_1559853c.jpg

I am sorry this thread is making you sad, but what do you expect me to do -- pretend to like something I don't? That would make me sad.

I'm not really sad. Well, I was for like six seconds, and then I remembered that people can like whatever they want and I shouldn't gaf.

idk I actually think carly really sells it, this is one of his few productions where I can't imagine his guide vocal

for those who are not aware, this is what dev hynes's guide vocals sound like

n.b. if you do like Everything Is Embarrassing that link will ruin it for you

it's true, it does

carly really undersells this chorus on the snl performance and it still works on me, takes all kinds

didn't realize until this morning that dev and ariel are actually performing the song with her too

chills down the spine. thank god for properly used major 7th chords. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

carly /really/ undersells this chorus on the snl performance and it still works on me, takes all kinds

the drums make up for everything (i thought she was good tho)

So have there been any hints yet about when the album might be here?

looking at her instagram afaict she's still recording it?

update: this has grown on me somewhat, it might end up somewhere around where "boom clap" ended up for charli xcx

I'm now fully on board with "I really like you" after hearing the LYAR remix of it, which mellows out the chorus significantly, and keeps the awesomeness of the verse melody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aJGPHcCdkk

omg balearic carly rae

yeah this remix is starry gorgeousness

only just heard "all that" and it's so sluggish in every way

dev's ~~~~~80s teen movie slow dance~~~~~ template was boring from the get-go but now it's such an obvious template it's really embarrassing to listen to

i would agree that CRJ is equally to blame for its failure though, she really doesn't sell it

makes "i really like you" sound better in comparison though

idk, the tortured taste chess is showing with this album campaign

I'm cool w it bc it's of a piece w the general Carly Rae schtick

Someone on fb pointed out that All That sounds like an imaginary TLC b-side from CrazySexyCool and, though that wasn't my original impression, I can totally hear it that way too.

show me if you
want
me

"i really like you" took about a week to be downgraded from a song i thought i liked into a song that was just a bit unsatisfying
"all that" has taken a day to be downgraded from a song that bored me into a song i really hate

fuck

dev

hynes

Lol

also it's funny how so many EDM producers get dragged for bing so predictable and rote when hynes is the most formulaic songwriter/producer around right now bar none

I prefer dev Hynes working with stars to dev Hynes solo, it's funny to watch ppl in the pitchfork mentions talk about how much better the song would be if dev was singing it & it's like .... Naw

This remains great.

lol what a weird song to actually hate but whatever.

"All That" sounds like CRJ singing through a paper bag and even the paper bag is bored.

i have warmed to the song a little bit but yeah, it's not quite the revelation for me that it seems to be for others

however i have to laugh at the fact that there are people who would prefer hearing dev hynes sing it himself. to my ears he is not an engaging vocalist at all, and unsurprisingly it is the songs on which backing vocals from others (usually women) figure prominently that are most tolerable among his own material. i guess i am not surprised that p4k's core readers would prefer him tho.

also implicit in the contention that he should have just sung it himself is the idea that crj contributed nothing to the song herself, that she is just a 'face without a choice' (to quote another woman artist who eventually got tired of the way ppl were so eager to deem dev hynes the sole auteur and her the thoughtless muse).

but tbh the idea that she was just waltzing into the studio to have him (and to a lesser extent ariel) cook up the track for her seems to have been dominating all conversation about the track since the moment she announced the collaboration was happening, including to an extent here.

but tbh the idea that she was just waltzing into the studio to have him (and to a lesser extent ariel) cook up the track for her seems to have been dominating all conversation about the track since the moment she announced the collaboration was happening, including to an extent here.

― dyl, Wednesday, April 8, 2015 5:36 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know it's currently unfashionable to say this is the case, but it's probably at least as much the case as it is with "everything is embarrassing," because a lot of times, this is in fact the case, you know? I'm as big a proponent as anyone of "women's contributions to creative work are underemphasized" but given the way the industry works, you can take that to the point of overcorrection. and very little of jepsen's songwriting tics, to my ears, are here.

eh i think her interpretation of the record is pretty central to what i dig about it...id have to think abt what it is exactly but i def prefer her singing it to dev hynes lol

also: based on previous dev hynes songwriting experiences i feel like the melody here is a lil more interesting than i.e. 'losing you' so i'm willing to believe she was partly responsible

I'd rather hear Debby Boone sing it than Dev Hynes.

I think one of the reasons I don't have any problem with the manner in which CRJ "sells" it is that I already listen to a bunch of scandipop (hell, that's mostly what I listen to) and I'm very accustomed to more austere singing.

I think it's best that we just ignore Dev Hyne's involvement on the song just like how everyone seemed to ignore Josh Ramsay's involvement on Call Me Maybe.

I prefer dev Hynes working with stars to dev Hynes solo

is there anyone here who prefers the contrary?

I like this but I wish Hynes had given it to someone like Jessie Ware who could've really belted out the finale