Don't call it a comeback. On his new album, Sufjan Stevens makes the tears rain down like a monsoon...
9.3 BNM
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
what would Stevens' mom award it
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
(Alfo she's dead that's the point of the record)
― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Monday, 30 March 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link
OK so I fucked up the verb tense.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
lol at that last paragraph
― salthigh, Monday, March 30, 2015 11:45 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why lol?
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Monday, 30 March 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
this is a HOT one, baby!
― some dude, Monday, 30 March 2015 15:42 (2 hours ago) Permalink
i keep hearing this in Christopher Walken's voice, ala the following:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/536145
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 30 March 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
giving 9.3 to a sufjan album is what pitchfork does it's like you all want the world to stop spinning
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Monday, 30 March 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
I don't think anyone overtly protested that.
― Evan, Monday, 30 March 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
I just assumed they gave Sufjan and Kendrick the same score so they can decide later which one is album of the year
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 30 March 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
lol, probably
or it can be like 2013 where they gave yeezus a higher score than the album that got their #1 EOY spot (inasmuch as that matters)
― are... are you saying you fucked a gazelle? (slothroprhymes), Monday, 30 March 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
the article isn't the most sophisticated thing and her argument has some weird things missing (like, almost everyone in TV on the Radio is black, and they're one of the best reviewed and best known indie bands in the US) but whenever there's an article even hinting at race people get fucking defensive and weird and it stirs up all kinds of shit.
― akm, Monday, 30 March 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
which is not the fault of the person who wrote the article
― akm, Monday, 30 March 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
ha, one of my reactions to that article was to reflect on how I actively try to enjoy TV on the Radio in a manner that I don't for most bands, largely because they are a successful majority-black indie band
― DJP, Monday, 30 March 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
i brought up tvotr on facebook and someone pointed out that she was specifically talking about southeast asian indie people? so, they didn't count. that she was specifically looking for more people who looked like her.
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
just ick, all of it.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
sometimes these kinds of articles/essays/blog posts can be useful when someone says something like: why aren't the online magazines writing about...goes on to name cool asian-american indie rock bands that aren't being written about.
but they didn't really do that here. which makes me wonder if there are cool asian-american indie rock bands that people aren't writing about. and like i said above, there are certainly lots of cool/fashionable indie rock bands in asia. there are like a zillion bands that sound like my bloody valentine in japan alone. not that they get written about much here either.
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xLjq2aYnxw
Salon Music doing the MBV thing in 1995.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
or, you know, slowdive...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_a2IYmdOM
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
sufjan eating a banana on best new music... forever
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
or, you know, indonesian dropkick murphys fans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp6LmvIVlDk
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
want more bands like this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaOLR9N0WVM
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
are cool asian-american indie rock bands that people aren't writing about.
The funny thing, there were actually a good number of '90s ur-indie bands in the mode being talked about that featured all or mostly Asian members. Seam, Versus, Cornershop, +/-, Kicking Giant, Cibo Matto, Blonde Redhead ...
But maybe her bugaboo is that there aren't many right now? Who knows. Like, did she mention Toro y Moi? Yeah Yeah Yeahs? Dirty Beaches (RIP?)? Thao and the Get Down Stay Down? Regardless, if you get specific and sub-divide enough then yeah, eventually you'll come up short in the "people just like me" department.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
wait what happened to dirty beaches
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
Somebody cleaned them
― 龜, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
I think he broke up?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/57227-dirty-beaches-calls-it-quits/
yeah, he is going to change the name of his project i guess
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
pitchfork is like the only place on earth that ever cared about deerhoof
― J0rdan S., Monday, 30 March 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
Females of Indian origins in 90s bands: Sonya Madan of Echobelly and Shivika Asthana from Papas Fritas.
― kate78, Monday, 30 March 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
if someone could explain to me why people care about Dirty Beaches, i would appreciate it.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 30 March 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link
You don't want to step in tar in your bare feet.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
gotta stick up for deerhoof here and say that they're a legitimately popular college rock act and not just a bunch of tapes n'tapes-(or clap your hands say yeah)-style pitchfork darlings
― intheblanks, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:17 (nine years ago) link
"The funny thing, there were actually a good number of '90s ur-indie bands in the mode being talked about that featured all or mostly Asian members. Seam, Versus, Cornershop, +/-, Kicking Giant, Cibo Matto, Blonde Redhead ..."
and speaking of shoegaze, miki berenyi had a huuuuuge influence on future dream poppers.
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link
When did we slide from "South Asian" to "Asian" in this conversation
― DJP, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link
taking a headcount of artists the writer could've mentioned only serves to highlight that it's possible to take a headcount, out of the whole giant sprawling world of indie rock bands who have had some manner of a national profile
― some dude, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
Man, she should turn her scope on Hollywood.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
dude
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:45 (nine years ago) link
Exactly. Mostly dudes. White dudes. And that is a field where what you look like is explicitly important.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:51 (nine years ago) link
Pretty important in indie of you are going to be mistaken for a mini cab driver every time you hang around outside after a gig.
― Rainbow DAESH (ShariVari), Monday, 30 March 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
Srsly though, if you have people saying that indie, whatever that might mean, feels like a gated community and your response is 'oh, there is a Japanese woman playing bass in a band that got reviewed in 2013' it may be worth doing some more listening.
― Rainbow DAESH (ShariVari), Monday, 30 March 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
ok so we've covered the "why isn't she paying attn to ___ which is worse??" argument, i guess we can expect "she's the REAL racist" any minute now
― dyl, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:16 (nine years ago) link
I get that, but if your argument is predicated in no small part on "there are not enough people like me, and these are the four examples," then really every excluded or overlooked example weakens the argument. Especially if you're vague about criteria. That's why I think the essay would have worked better as a strictly personal account of what it is like to be or feel excluded, because the way it was presented the piece unfortunately boils down to the banality of numbers. But obviously there could be lots of people "just like me" and I can still feel left out, overlooked, excluded or underrepresented. The cultural blinders and insensitives of indie and really all music across the spectrum is pervasive, and I guess I would have preferred a piece along those lines as opposed to something that felt both very specific (south Asians in indie) and yet still somehow incomplete.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
But obv, write-on, writer. I'd rather something provocative and incomplete than boring, and she does bring up plenty of great points regardless.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link
good that you made your voice heard then
― J0rdan S., Monday, 30 March 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
hey, she made me think about american indie rock and i don't even listen to american indie rock. not new american indie rock anyway. i do enjoy listening to pavement. i love those guitars!
― scott seward, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
Good thing there is an online forum where we can post freely about such things as Music and Everything.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:41 (nine years ago) link
ok but
what if instead
you just didn't?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 30 March 2015 23:57 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 30 March 2015 23:58 (nine years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, March 30, 2015 5:29 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah or nazi germany!
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 03:22 (nine years ago) link
ffs
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 03:23 (nine years ago) link
lol
― dyl, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 03:29 (nine years ago) link