is everyone agreeing with the sleaford mods now because that is the exact behaviour he is calling out, not advocating.
shit like this is giving a little too much credit to the mods - both he and alex turner would post a pic of them with mick jones and put "real" next to it. the mods just think they're a shade rawer and realer, when the joke is they're just as narcissistic as the people they're mocking.
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
"we don't spout vain anti-pop bullshit on the stage of the nme we spout vain anti-pop bullshit in the guardian op-ed section"
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Dollar sound like Led Zeppelin when placed alongside Scouting For Girls
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
You have to admit that is utterly perfect self-clowning
If I were trying to lampoon the cultural myopia of these prophets telling it like it is I could not have bettered that
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
DA croup with awesome year late hot takes
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 8 March 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
Lol
But that guardian thing is not from a year ago tho I'm sure these dudes' schtick has remained unchanged for millennia
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
did Alex Turner ever clarify if his brits speech was supposed to be ironic? I seem to remember that being quite a hot topic for a bit
― soref, Sunday, 8 March 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
yeah sorry if i'm a johnny-come-lately for discovering this band you like is full of shit, ums
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
surely challenging the paradigms of out-of-touch folk like myself was their goal in writing a guardian op-ed
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
also "yeah this (allegedly, though not on this thread) came up a year ago" is a weird defense of an article that references a lyric from 2009 as proof of shit hard rock macho posturing and sly stone as an example of good music
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
though honestly i get the sense that everyone defending these champs has actively avoided reading what they have to say
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
it's always a good day to remind people that sly stone is an example of good music.
― scott seward, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
yes but the word has been out for a while
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
That's what's so hilarious about the dollar-led-zep-scouting-for-girls triangulation, like how perfectly out of touch
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Hoping the "The Mods"/scouting for girls beef has legs tbh
i'm just sad they're probably too cool to have dinner with russell brand and noel gallagher cuz it sounds like they'd have fun
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
I'm sure I'd have fun at dinner with writer & activist russell brand & career comedians noel gallagher & "The Mods" tbf
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
Like I don't want to seem too down on these guys, I think I said itt that I listened to & liked one of their comedy records but was surprised that they had like 10 of them & ppl cared
The one I heard was like "Brian Eno, what the fuck does 'e know"
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
i did wonder on first read if this article was some kind of klf parody of indie vanity but if it is, judging from their twitter they're playing the long game
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
and yeah again this is not a dis on their tunes which sound like bands i've liked
i had a pretty negative reaction to smug retro-post-punk stuff like art brut and lcd soundsystem on first blush, but eventually found their humor and hooks so i'm not assuming these guys aren't similarly capable
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I unfollowed him on Twitter pretty quick and I'm a sympathiser
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
he's certainly assiduous in re-tweeting praise for the band
― soref, Sunday, 8 March 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
I believe he was a big Oasis fan and spent the 90s and on doing rock bands the whole minimal loop thing was at least part in being frustrated & sick of it
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 8 March 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
cool
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Sunday, 8 March 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
There's some 10 minute or so minidoc where he said basically got sick of working on these songs trying to make them "good" and sending pro sounding demoes to indie labels this was more like we can make a song in 5 minutes with words and a cheap loop
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 8 March 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
I like these guys, but this Guardian rant isn't saying anything more than 'commercial music is shit nowadays'. Jaded middle-aged punker types have been saying exactly this for decades. His argument runs into problems in that he gives no back-up examples.By 'Samey Winehouse', I assume he's talking about a particular brand of UK popstar, the the kind who makes appearances on Saturday Kitchen, gets nominated for a Brit Award and is marketed to people who like Amy/Adele but ultimately lacks the ingredient that made these unique. By 'rock'n'roll', I assume he means a particular brand of swaggering post-Britpop UK rock, the kind the NME and the rest of the music industry have been hanging their hopes on since at least 1998. This is what I assume he's saying. It's all an assumption. But because he mentions, like, three examples, one of whom are Scouting For Girls (who haven't released anything since 2012), his attacks come off as arbitrary and not a little bit rockist in places.Fact is, I am also going to assume his argument comes from the right place. I'm inclined to agree there's been an ongoing and growing problem with the UK music industry in the notable lack of risk-taking since the economic collapse. This has led to a lot of bland, easily categorisable music being pushed to wide customer niches - you go in the Razorlight box; you go in the Dizzee Rascal box; you go in the Adele box etc... Careers being built on the backs of others. In some ways it's nothing new - this is marketing after all. But as I think someone a while back on ILM said, we're a far cry away from the days when a modestly successful UK pop-rock band like XTC could be granted the studio time to record a '60s psych-influenced vanity spin-off project.It's not like the US. You guys still have GOOD 'rock' bands, many of whom get decent coverage around the world, play cool festivals and don't just sound like staid cut'n'pastes of something that was popular 15-20 years ago. That's not to say the UK doesn't have exciting bands who do sound unique, fresh, innovative or exciting. Save just a handful of exceptions, the majority are touring a batch of clapped-out toilets in commuter towns trying to scrape a living off selling a batch of handpressed CD-Rs. They're not being interviewed by Pitchfork. They're not playing Coachella. They're not even playing Reading Festival or appearing on Saturday Kitchen because they haven't got a record label. While the music media bemoans the death of Britpop, it forgets the real reason UK music felt so alive and fertile at that time: chances were being taken on acts like Portishead, Aphex Twin, Tricky, the Chemical Brothers, Radiohead, Suede, Massive Attack and countless others. I can't even imagine a band like the Manic Street Preachers getting as popular now as they did in the 1990s. The majors wouldn't sign them and the indies just don't have the platform they might once have, and that's all down to money I guess.
― nuumerykah (dog latin), Sunday, 8 March 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
Saturday Kitchen! i wish i had a show named Saturday Kitchen.
that's some old-school stuff from dog latin right there. you'd think this thread was ten years old.
― scott seward, Sunday, 8 March 2015 23:43 (nine years ago) link
His argument runs into problems in that he gives no back-up examples.
sadly that's not where his argument runs into problems
― daed bod (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 March 2015 00:34 (nine years ago) link
it's weird to hear him sing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE0QC9nFrDE
― scott seward, Monday, 9 March 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
track 4 on the new album by The Prodigy 'Ibiza' feat. Sleaford Mods
I'm looking forward to this (is it out?).
― afriendlypioneer, Monday, 9 March 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
released in May I think
― Reader, I murder dem (DJ Mencap), Monday, 9 March 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
mostly pro-mods still, but:
soref otm, find the stream of 'AT LAST, real music with real attitude' retweets coming from them a bit dismal. The swagger-of-oasis satisfactions for 6Music culture-class.
& re:swagger, recent tweets say they're on The Who's support bill this summer, just above slydigs:
a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis
― woof, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 10:32 (nine years ago) link
I see that a lot on Twitter. Honestly, the fans like it as much as the artists; it's a mutual appreciation society.
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
"The smell of piss is so strong it smells like decent bacon" has to be one of the alltime best one-liners.
― nuumerykah (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
Tiswas EP is really good, they slowly seem to be moving away from the more garage rock sample beats, within their very limited minimal thing
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
ive no interest in the 'music' produced by these guys but I'm a fan of their analyses
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
would you particularly rate the observation that placed next to scouting for girls dollar sound like led zeppelin
― prole, you'll be a yeoman soon (wins), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
Why are all their cultural reference points so ancient: Tiswas, Oompa Loompas, Buzz Lightyear, Touche Turtle, etc. Is it some kind of deliberate throwback to the days of Atilla the Stockbroker or whoever? Like Pulp singing about lyrcra and woodchip?
― everything, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
they're old tbf
I do not know dollar but have heard some led zep
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
Ha I don't understand like 75 percent of the references so they could be old or new English indie baseball angry man talk whaddya know
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
I do remember that in the mid-80s Dollar were the assumed to be the epitome of lightweight MOR fluff. Had a Dollar poster on the wall during my student days actually - partly ironic for them being so universally mocked, partly genuine because Trevor Horn connection validated my liking of some of their singles. Feels like you have to be mid-40s to make any sense of this.
― everything, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
deems I'm not the biggest led zeppelin fan, louis is more your man for that sort of raucous experimental uk prog-folk but fwiw this is my favourite led zep song
― prole, you'll be a yeoman soon (wins), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
Sleaford Mods 30+ years behind Tracy Ullman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GgkoaXWdXc
― everything, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
sorry wins i dont take candy from strangers, money from friends or music tips from internet message board i love music
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
they're playin' in fuckin' 'itchin tonight!
― why dont u say something or like just die (dog latin), Friday, 20 March 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
I do remember that in the mid-80s Dollar were the assumed to be the epitome of lightweight MOR fluff.
Not sure how true that is, Paul Morley never stopped going on about them so they were popular with the New Pop wing at the NME.
― Betel-chewing Equipment of East New Guinea (Tom D.), Friday, 20 March 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
"mirror mirror" is an interesting tune.
― why dont u say something or like just die (dog latin), Friday, 20 March 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
"hand held in black and white" is pretty good too. Dollar were like Trevor Horn's pet project (before FGTH arrived)
― tayto fan (Michael B), Friday, 20 March 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link