amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

1k deems you "clear"

So does 1k leave your bank account when she announces a podcast or do you get a bill and have to pay it before you FaceTime with her?

this is some newt gingrich level shit

"In a lengthy pitch on Patreon, which was co-created in 2013 by Pomplamoose's Jack Conte..."

Maybe the "random surprise" is a refund.

It's more likely an extra charge

I picture all the people who sign on for this like the mother in Requiem for a Dream watching her infomercial.

"I don't find it as inspiring to work for two years on a bunch of songs, knowing that i'm going to have to spend TONS of time raising funds for a record, a few more months (or years, in some cases) going through the record-biz 'album cycle'….. dude, it's boring. I mean, all respect to the artists who do it, and i may choose to do it with one project or another, but mostly, fuck it, i just want to MAKE STUFF AND PUT IT OUT. And get paid, and then keep going."

https://www.patreon.com/amandapalmer

the vanity and entitlement on display remains stunning, but she's been pretty straight-forward about selling cult of personality this whole time - she's just fine-tuning here.

there should be a 2k level where you pay her 2k every time she doesn't put something out.

she claims you can jump ship before the end of the month - so i guess if you realize before september 30th than you're about to pay $2,000 for a doodle chapbook and a covers EP you can bail.

though then you won't get to have her say she loves you

jesus why hasn't rob pollard gotten in on this - if he can find 50 IT specialists willing to pay 1,000 a month to be in his tape-of-the-month skype society...

https://twitter.com/amandapalmer/status/572899707514720257

why hasn't rob pollard gotten in on this

bee thousand (a month)

quality tweet

that is the grossest tweet

for fuck's sake people, I realize amanda palmer is persona non grata but this is fundamentally no different from everyone else's patreon/cashmusic/other subscription service

why did she put that image in my head?

I have a pal named Ben who once told me that when he saw Empire Strikes Back as a child, he was freaked out by the scene where Luke is stranded in the snow moaning "Ben...Ben!"

I imagine this offer would be similarly traumatizing.

not that you needed me to point it out Kat, but it's writ large and it's successful and that sets folks off

defend her crowdfunding nonsense all you want, but do you honestly approve of the way she licks that SHS-10?

it's not a con if you want to be fooled

i think i'm more frustrated by her fanbase if i think about it

well no i think i'm really more frustrated with the lefsetz/ted talk type bozos who held her up as the future of music making. now THERE was a con.

a+ tweet tho

Strike that. Reminds me of Prince. A point in her favor, imo.

never thought I'd be able to come up with a scenario where the other man is more upset at having his name called out than the husband is about it

...oorrrrr it could remind me of Gene Simmons. Back to point against.

should i go nearly $50,000 into debt for this?

i realize this is in essence a subscription service (and considering the claim that you won't be punished for a monthly cap of $10 on your subscription, a not ungenerous one) but can we still please laugh about an FAQ that ends with Q: "i love you. i just wanted to say that."

like if this is basically what everybody's doing on patreon can we please have a rolling CULT LEADERS ON PATREON thread

I know nothing about Patreon. Is this really "fundamentally no different from everyone else's patreon"?

Are there other people using Patreon like this to get a set fee every time they decides to make a completely-undefined "thing", any time they want?

like let's contrast the peak what you can give pomplamoose

Pledge $10.00 or more per video

200 patrons
The Producer Pack
-Learn how Jack produces and create your own remixes of our songs! Jack will be recording Ableton session overviews, as well as stems for you to experiment with!
+Everything listed above!

and palmer's

Pledge $1,000.00 or more per thing

3 patrons (Limited 2 of 5 left)
i'll call. we'll talk. we'll have dinner. all the things, pretty much. thank you (holy shit).

that... that kind of reads like she'll bone you for $1000

I know that's super gross and uncharitable but it's how it comes across to me

have some fuckin dignity sheesh

i have no desire to sexualize it, but it's definitely a sale of interpersonal intimacy and access. and if people are willing to pay 1k for that, you might as well have them gardening for you in matching snuggies

(holy shit)

hmmmm

Part of my reading is a reflexive desire to cast the abominable phrase "all the things" in the worst possible light whenever I encounter it

http://traumwerk.stanford.edu/archaeolog/Olsen_In%20defense%20of%20things.jpg

pretty much

A friend of mine paid $250 just to have a photo taken with Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner. No call, no talk, no dinner. 90 seconds and a photo. That was on top of another $50 to get into the event where it happened. My friends brother paid $500 for a "backstage experience" with Motorhead - hanging out in a room with a bunch of other fans plus the band for half an hour. So paying a grand for that doesn't seem too bad really if you like the artist.

xpost obv the entertainment industry has long known access to heroes is a salable commodity (HANG OUT WITH METALLICA AND MTV, yadda ya) and you could even argue what she's doing is kinder to the kind of fan that sends in a hundred postcards to hang out backstage. but what kind of person can OFFER that kind of emotional availability simply for a price, other than your l-rons.

xpost It's $1000 per "thing"

there are a million william shatners who will take your money in exchange for a sprinkling of their fame-dust but on some level it'd be weirder if shatner was like NOW YOU ARE MY FRIEND FOR LIFE I SWEAR TO YOU

lemmy letting 50 rubes sit backstage with him vs lemmy having a monthly skype date with 50 rubes who've provided their cc numbers

Picturing Lemmy or Spock & Kirk telling strangers, "I love you. I just wanted to say that" is pretty fun.

noooo it's even weirder! amanda is saying that is a frequently asked question. her response is

"i love you too. here's a hug ((((((((((())))))))))))"

The vibe of the Spock/Kirk photo op was more like "do not touch them, do not engage them in conversation, this is a photo opportunity no more". Escorted in from the left. Pose. Photo taken. Escorted out to the right while next rube approaches from left. I think my friend would've preferred dinner.

well no shit. everyone would prefer their hero show them love, respect and attention, especially after they've coughed up considerable green. the question is what kind of person promises that subscription-style

It's not that weird flattering/hyping the love you get from your fanbase is a large part of managing that fanbase in the new digital panhandling future.

that's not a hug! those are parentheses!